James Cheng / msnbc.com

Kent Hizer at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 360 in Mishawaka, Ind. on Oct. 14, 2010. Hizer is running for the township board in Penn Township of St. Joseph County.

Faces of the Tea Party - A regular guy, a long shot candidate

Kent Hizer is a salesman for steel products and a volunteer policeman. He’s running for a seat on the board of Penn County Township - population 64,000. It’s a modest office, but the odds of beating a long-serving Democrat are slim, and Hizer is the first to say so.

“I probably will not be elected,” he tells a Tea Party meeting at the VFW hall in nearby Mishawaka.

But Hizer is not here to campaign -- there are only three people in this crowd of 50 who could vote for him. But he sees hope, and finds solace, in the Tea Party because they seem to be on the same track as he is.

“I’m on a mission to hold elected officials accountable -- local officials, and all the way up the food chain,” says Hizer. “I want to get people engaged no matter what party they are.”

Hizer says he has uncovered a concrete example of malfeasance on the part of a current Penn Township board member. Hizer used a Freedom of Information Act query to uncover a scandal involving the township trustee, who reportedly used township funds for unauthorized personal expenses and failed to document official work performed by his girlfriend.

This feeling that public officials are running amok, he insists, is not a partisan issue.

Hizer, a conservative who was raised Democrat, says it has become uncomfortable to identify himself with the party because the Republicans have “lost their way.”

Even then, he doesn’t align with every conservative stance. After witnessing someone close to him die of a debilitating disease, he now believes in the right to choose a dignified death.

“This is not in the conservative playbook,” he says.

But Hizer is most animated about getting people to step up, politically.

“I wanted to tell people to stay engaged,” he says after his Tea Party presentation. “If we hold them accountable maybe they will start looking after our interests instead of looking after their own.”

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As someone stated yesterday, there are other political parties MSNBC... why are you highlighting these people like they are the only people that exist? Liberal and Independents have a voice and a FACE.

But to this guy, this TEA Pottier, he's on the track along with the other train parts that will lead this country to another wreck. Their ideas are extreme, at least the 98% that are represented. If he's embarrassed to be tagged as a REPUBLICAN TEA Bagger, then he is obviously just like the 99% that can't come to terms with sabotaging this company. And the fact that you say he's a former Democrat is just grasping at straws MSNBC.

I keep hearing about the buyer's remorse from the REPUBLICAN TEA Party and yet, they realize that if anyone would have BUYER'S REMORSE, it would be them. The TEA PARTY is not a thinking man's party, that's obvious, but to have no contemplation whatsoever, as he has indicated, that's just odd and strange.

The other 2%, yeah ironic isn't it, is likely to see the TEA Party for who they truly are, EXTREMISTS that seek to do more harm than good.

And MSNBC, the black couple you posted about a couple of days ago are not TEA Party members and for you to paint them as such is YELLOW and HYPOCRITICAL. You guys need to check yourselves, and MAN UP, because you are not LEANING FORWARD, you instigate to take us BACKWARDS.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:04 AM EDT

Wow, did someone strike a nerve?! I beleive the point of this photo blog is to give folks an actual look at Tea Party memebers instead of just making assumptions and repeating opposing talking points about them as was done above. I like how you beleive that is is just impossible that he could have formerly been a democrat and that MSNBC is now out to get Liberals and Independents. You're not making a very good case for your side.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:31 AM EDT

Coming from a "Super" Yoda as if someone is greater than Yoda himself, I can safely say your reply is TEA Baggerish... so what's the face? young and green? Freshman? If it is, maybe the health care reform can help you on that. I've heard green TEA is good for the skin.

    #1.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT

    LouisJ

    All you seem to be able to do is bash anyone that disagrees with you and your liberal whiners. You want everything given to you, no accountability, and no responsibility. Then, when someone disagrees with you, you launch into the personal assaults about green skin and green tea or you delve into racial assaults against "white" people. Who is the freshman or Racist here, junior?

    I guess either Tyler or the new masters of Newsvine are no longer enforcing the Code of Honor (at least against the Liberal Mafia). had a conservativeve made comments like yours they would have been suspender from Newsvine for a few weeks.

    Feel free to rant your racist and liberal whiny rant. Not only are you a wast of time, but a waste of everything. Just a liberal troll.

    • 3 votes
    #1.3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:40 PM EDT

    Yes, when the liberals run out of ideas that don't work, they turn to racism to blame others for their defeats.

    I guess if a democrat is corrupt in even a small township, that is ok, because liberals can do no wrong. well hopefully people like LouisJ will learn you can't judge a book by its cover.

    • 2 votes
    #1.4 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT

    "Extreme times call for extreme measures."

    I thought that this man was that guy on FOX news with a little hair under his nose.

      #1.5 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT

      You come off as a racist and an ignorant and under-educated one at that. Your post number 3.1 is a premier example.

      A black president? He is only black because of a "Federal" definition.

      With so many hungry children in America today how can any one justify his deeds?

      I urge you to read, to study, and to stop hating on other people.

      • 1 vote
      #1.6 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT

      Man Cool, that was harsh. I never said anything that warranted that kind of attack. Sounds like you are trying to overcompensate for something. But when it sounds too good, shout and drown it out with hate and name calling... sounds very familiar. Oh yeaahh... the town hall debates. Health Care still passed. Get over it.

        #1.7 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
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        I wouldnt waste my breath on Louis. He is an absolute racist. Just read some of his other posts. He is a waste of time.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:50 AM EDT

        Absolute... you absolutely sure of that?

        I could go into the TEA bag book of SPIN and say that by you calling me racist, you yourself are racist... but I won't, because I've learned when you sink to a level filled with hate and anger you'll likely become a victim of pity... I pity people like you brad-338082, not for your snide comments or your view on racism, but for your skewed view on life, that you support people that would do you and everyone else injustice based cultural misunderstandings and misgivings.

        • 1 vote
        #2.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
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        I agree with Brad. Read LouisJ's past blogs. He's a racist and he is not honest about being one. To be pitied by LouisJ is to be honored by the majority of the country.

        Vote in November!

        • 6 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:33 AM EDT

        Past blogs? I don't have or own any blogs...

        I can only imagine with your "Obama, a failed experiment" that you are against the president for his accomplishments, you know the accomplishments that have benefitted the middle class and reigned in the big corporations... Since a black man has orchestrated some of the greatest feats that no other presidents have even come close to, it must drive you absolutely nuts.

        But wait, you mean to illustrate the black man in office simply because you can't cope with the fact that black people have not only perservered but prospered to the point of the highest office in the land.

        Hmmm... from the Slave's Prison to the White House... yeah, you sound pissed.

        But hey, I'm sure MSNBC, the liberal media, will allow the personal assaults to continue since they are so anti-Republican.

          #3.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:47 AM EDT

          BTW LouisJ, if you think Obama has reigned in big coperations then you need to take off your jaded racist glasses. What Obama has done is make it where the big corperations will not hire because they are not sure they can still be viable companies during Obama's presidency. With the added burden of thousands upon thousands that will have to be spent for Obamaworkingclasstax, err i mean Obamacare, it looks doubtful that the coperations will hire any time soon. So you can chalk up as one of obama's achievent was keeping Americans out of work.

          By far obama is the worst president this country has ever had and has done more damage than any presedent ever. This has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his so called "achievements".

          And yes, I am pissed. I am pissed at him and all the democrats who helped him destroy my country.

          • 3 votes
          #3.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT

          Agreed but common sense answers are wasted on people such as Louis who cant see beyond his own skin color. Sad really. I pity him.

          • 3 votes
          #3.3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT

          I didn't know Obama was a slave. From what I read he is a Harvard educated lawyer as is his wife. It seems to me he did pretty well for himself in this "racist white" land you call America.

          Is it just me, or does it seem that LouisJ thinks all white people are racists out to get him?

          • 3 votes
          #3.4 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT

          Iceman25-835270

          Is it just me, or does it seem that LouisJ thinks all white people are racists out to get him?

          its not just you. Everyone that reads his rants see it too. Its either one of two things.

          1. extreme paranoia - There are medications available for that.

          2. proof that the comedian Ron White is correct when he says:

          If you break your hip, you can get it replaced. If you belly gets flabby, you can have it tucked. If your chin starts to sag you can get your Face Lifted, but you Just Can't Fix Stupid!

          • 1 vote
          #3.5 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
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          I get sooo tired of hearing that if your not for Obama then your a racist. I am in the middle class and what Obama has done is to hurt the working class which makes up the majority of the middle class. For years and years I have voted for the man running, not the party but have always leaned democrat. Now I am leaning tea party because I do not like the direction our country is heading. I dislike it so much that I will be voting straight republican this year because Obama must be reigned in. No one can spend trillions upon trillions and not know there will be a downside. And Obama seems to forget that this is America, the land of the free and proud. Not the apologetic with forced crappy health care. Palin was right. We need a leader like Reagen again. Soeone who will tell the world o go to hell and at the same time not allow over government of American citizens.

          Flame away, its doubtful if I will return to read the flames.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT

          Daniel 2516541.

          You are racist. Remember this: Reagan raised taxes and Reagan signed the last Immigration Amnesty Bill. In addition, Reagan and his cronies broke the law (Iran Contra). Talk about tirany? You need to read more!

            #4.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT

            I dislike it so much that I will be voting straight republican this year because Obama must be reigned in. No one can spend trillions upon trillions and not know there will be a downside.

            It's statements like this that shows just how misinformend people like you are. Apparently you don't realize that 40% of the Obama stimulus is in tax cuts the very thing that the GOP has been screeching about doing. It's not like he printed up all the money for the stimulus.

            Out of the other 60% of the stimulus, most is ear marked for infrastructure. Again, the exact same thing the republicans have been advocating. The GM bailout is looking like a success. If he would have let GM fail like the republicans wanted, thousands would be collecting unemployment and the coveted free market would have carved GM up and most likely sent those jobs overseas. The extensions to unemployment benefits are temporary and those on it can continue buying goods and services to help mellow the economic down turn.

            Again, Obama's bailouts are TEMPORARY and only an attempt to stabilize our economy. Once we head back into safer waters and the economy picks back up then the task of reducing the deficit can begin.

            No matter what Obama and the Dems do it would never be good enough for the Tea Party/ Republicans which is big on rhetoric and small on any sort of solutions. The tea party is capitalizing on FEAR and uncertainty with no feasable plan to get our country back on track.

            The economy is coming back albeit slower than Obama and the Dems had hoped. Look at who has fought them every step of the way, the GOP.

            • 1 vote
            #4.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT

            How is he racist? You can at least back up your claim.

            Also, Reagan raised taxes after he had cut them by 25%. By 1988 the tax increases only brought back about half of his original cuts. Therefor over the course of his presidency he had a net cut in taxes.

            The Immigration Reform and Control Act was not amnesty for all illegals. Your point is weak. It only granted possible amnesty to those who had resided in the country for at least 4 years. It also went after illegal immigrants with false ID and the employers who hired them. However, in 1986 the number of illegals in the country were far less. Only about 2.8million received legal status through Reagan's programs. We didn't foresee the problem we have today.

            The Iran Contra was carried out without Reagan's knowledge. He still accepted responsibility for it.

            • 2 votes
            #4.3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT

            How about those arms to Iran for hostages? Or CIA stinger missles for the Taliban? Republicans are great for giving weapons away to America's enemies. Why won't they present Americans some decent jobs, instead of the other garbage they push?

            Republicans are not helping the country. They're helping themselves.

            • 2 votes
            #4.4 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:29 PM EDT

            Reagan knew that trickle down didn't work, but went along with the party when told it would be political suicide to admit it.

              #4.5 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT

              Is that Pres Obama is doing with trickle up?

              Androloma, the stingers where used to shoot down Russian helicopters. At the time the Soviets were our enemy. Not the taliban.

              The arms for hostage, or Iran Contra was carried out in secrecy. Though he did know we were trading arms with "moderate factions" in Iran, he didn't know all the details. Plus he took responsibility for the deal. At least he had the guts to do so.

              • 1 vote
              #4.6 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:02 PM EDT

              Well, I did return to see how much flaming I recieved. From another news post it said I had 39 messages and didnt know what it was about and followed the link here to see it. Funny how I get labeled as a racist with out any inclination of proof backing it up. It also seems Reagen has struck a nerve among the democrats trolling this board.

              Reagen did raise taxes and also cut taxes. Yet he never once apologized for being an American. He never once backed down to those against us. He started Dare (or his wife did) to try to help the country. Ronald Reagen did a lot for this country. Things might not of been perfect but they were far better than they are now. Wha has Obama done? Let see. Unemployment is at all times high since the great depression. Any relief in site? Not on Obama's watch there isnt. The economy is horrible. Any relief in site? nope... How about the drilling moritorium in the gulf. One operator failed miserably and now all has to pay with lost jobs, lost income, and still no relief in site. Obama had such a drastic impact on the gulf coast that it is worse than a hurricane slamming into New Orleans and I really dont think he even considered how many people was affected byt him. Its not just the rig workers who was placed out of work. It the entire ecoenomy down there. Hot shot drivers laid off. Stores who made their money from rig hands going to or from work not able to afford to stay open. All the support companies who lost because some of the drilling rigs already went over seas. Yep, Obama did a wonderful job.

              And we cant forget obama care. The job sucking lemon of a law hat will prevent jobs from being created. Will force hard working Americans to stay in poverty because obama thinks he knows better than everyone.

              If Obama wanted to make a differance then he should of provided government aide to those who lost their jobs to enable them to continue on without the worry of losing thier homes. Instead he provided financial aide to the lending institutions who continued to sue americans and forclose on them.

              With the Gulf oil crisis Obama did real good except for the moritorium. The economical impact from that to an already struggling nation was unacceptable.

              And with health care, Obama should of went after the health care industry instead of forcing Americans to otbtain Obama's version of insurance. Strike three obama!

              And Begbie wanted to comment on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of Reagens. How is that any worse than Obama's campaign promise of legalizing all illigal imagrants in the country now?

              Shall I continue?

              Flame away.

              • 2 votes
              #4.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT

              Gadfrey, Daniel, what awful spelling. Must be the class you failed, with all the others.

                #4.8 - Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT
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                We just think it's weird that Bush was doing the same things that Obama has continued and only now you get angry about it. Wasteful spending, light on immigration, trudging on through two wars at the same time.

                Just curious that all of a sudden, people don't like policies that have been around for a decade. Hate Obama for his lack of passion or conviction to his party's agenda, but don't act like it's new.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#5 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT

                What policies have been around for a decade? Obamacare? TARP?

                Which ones are you talking about?

                Plus, the reason nobody was complaining is because unemployment was down and we were in a booming economy. Most Americans were ignorant to the fact the banks were on the verge of collapse.

                  #5.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT

                  A booming economy you could say it was, but only for rich people. Nobody was complaining because they didn't know they were being slowly strangled.

                  http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/US-Income-and-Poverty-in-2009.html

                  Unemployment was lower, yes but everyone but the rich was getting paid less for the same work.

                  TARP wasn't a decades long policy, but it was a policy that was introduced during the Bush administration. That money went to the banks.

                  The stimulus was under Obama which went to many different entities, much of which was civil entities like state education, police and fire agencies.

                    #5.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT

                    That's fine, but the original argument was that we were fighting the same policies that Bush had for 8 years. That's not true.

                    So i guess it is better to have less people working versus flat-lined wages? That doesn't make sense.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT

                    TARP was brought in at the very end of the Bush administration, and was actually one of the first things the Tea Party protested. It's just that Obama inherited TARP and continued it that everyone seems to think the Tea Party didn't oppose it.

                      #5.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
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                      Is it just me, or does it seem most of this party consists primarily of white upper/middle class fundamental Christians?

                      I hear people say they are worried about the legacy of debt we will leave our children. What about a legacy of crumbling roads and highways and stagnent wages our children face? Why do they support large corps. that prey on the middle and lower class?

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#6 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT

                      Well, large corporations provide millions of jobs for the middle and working class.

                      The crumbling infrastructure is a valid point. We do need to update our roads, dams, levees, etc.

                      I don't see how the corporations prey on the middle class. Do explain.

                        #6.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:42 PM EDT

                        Very simple Iceman,

                        By exporting jobs overseas - why hire an American for $12 when someone in Asia will do the same job for $4... And right now large corporations are cutting jobs because of the housing implosion, yet salaries for the top corporate employees are rising faster than ever. Profit sharing, health services and insurance, etc. are being cut at alarming rates...

                        None of it helps the middle class..

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT

                        I wouldn't say corporations are attacking the middle class, but BobbyG is right, shipping jobs overseas sure doesn't help.

                        Corporations sole goal is to make money for the shareholders. Period. If they can do that best by stepping on the middle class, they most certainly will, but it's not their main objective, it's a means to an end. If it was no longer profitable to ship jobs overseas they would stop.

                        Same thing for "providing millions of jobs for the middle and working class". Corporations certainly aren't doing that out of the goodness of their (theoretical) heart. If they didn't need someone to do those jobs, they most certainly wouldn't provide them.

                          #6.3 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT

                          So what is your solution to lower the costs of the corporations? Raise taxes?

                          Plus, the majority of the workers in this nation work for small to medium businesses. These businesses can't absorb higher taxes like the larger corporations. That is who I want to protect more so, but at the same time lower taxes means more money.

                            #6.4 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
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                            As reasonable as the people might be in this expose, the Tea Party needed a lot of people and got hijacked by people that want more than just small government and low taxes...

                            I watched one of the founders on Colbert and quite liked him... to their credit they won't comment on anything beyond low taxes and small government... but also to their discredit they won't comment on anything beyond low taxes and small government and what that means to some of their members... as well as some of the _extra— stuff tea party candidates seem to espouse. Perhaps they think those issues are a local thing, but not all of those issues can be considered local.

                            The problem is that I think the TP founders are more libertarian than not and would be scared to say they thought gay marriage bans are a bad idea.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#7 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT

                            Google the

                            "14 characteristics of fascism"

                            and you'll find we took a long walk down that path from 2000-2008.

                            Be careful tea partiers, you're taking it further, to the level of neofascism!

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#8 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT

                            true! And tea party is one major cause

                            • 1 vote
                            #8.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
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                            Tea Party members will never sway Progressives .  Groups will have an effect on Red, Purple , and some Blue, voters. Tea Party groups have been concentrating on local & state levels .  This is a good strategy. Don't expect the Tea Parety to go away.  It will continue beyond the election , &, will be following our elected officials, be small government activists , & , be ready for 2012.

                              Reply#9 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:13 PM EDT

                              I am a very old man, please do me a favor. Would you define what you mean by the word:

                              "Progressive"

                                #9.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:06 PM EDT

                                That's the new term for liberal.

                                Nancye, the Tea Party doesn't have to sway the liberals. It only needs to sway the independents, tne "purple". That's the deciding factor in this country. There are more conservatives in the US than there are liberals, but there are more independents than either of them.

                                  #9.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
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                                  Look, I get the frustration and the anger, but if you vote for Angle, Paul, Miller, or O'Donnell, you are a moron!! Bottom line. Should not basic intelligence and common sense be a basic litmus test for running for the Senate??? Throw the bums out, but don't replace them with nitwits!!!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#10 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:30 PM EDT

                                  Thank you. This is a solid and excellent point.

                                  There was a time, on election day, that I could not understand why any American would not go out and vote. It made me feel so good. I was like the most important person in America. It was such a great feeling, and it lasted for hours. The right to vote and to exercise that right. It was wonderful.

                                  Dick Gregory stated a long time ago" we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, eventually we will end up with the evilest of evils."

                                  There is no flaw in his logic. There seems to be a long standing flaw in a system that fights against any third party. We are not England. Our founders did not have a two party system in mind, and that includes The Federalists.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #10.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  doesn't look any brighter that I expected.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#11 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT

                                  Why is it that every time I hit this MSNBC page it has "Faces of Tea Party" on it. You guys are just perpetuating the BUZZ on this fringe group. SICK OF IT. These guys have tie to reality. MSNBC CUT IT OUT.

                                    Reply#12 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:52 PM EDT

                                    Maybe for once MSNBC is trying to be "Fair and Balanced." Nah, who am I kidding. This is like a dartboard. Post a picture and let everyone take their shot at em.

                                      #12.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
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                                      I don't know exactly what I am politically, a libertarian (small L) I guess.. I've don't consider myself a Tea Party member but I get what these people are talking about. They want less government in their lives, not no government in their lives, and for our government leaders to follow the constitution. The Tea Party movement is made up of all types and of all political shades, from the painfully annoying Sarah Palin to the local store owner on your street.

                                      To simply write these people off as white religious extremist is to underestimate (and maybe even undervalue) who they really are.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#13 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT

                                      Believe me I don't write these people off. Hitler was elected and people are shelfish enough to do really bad things to others "true believers" are very dangerous. Read ERIC HOFFER'S BOOK of that name.

                                        #13.1 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT

                                        Thanks for the book reference, I will check it out.. I suggest: Reflections on the Failure of Socialism by Max Eastman. I believe the full verse is online.

                                          #13.2 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT
                                          Reply

                                          Lots of white faces in White County. Is white the best color to be when applying for membership?

                                          Some whites are actual moderates. But extremists make for better headlines.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#14 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:23 PM EDT

                                          this party is scary. The rich get richer and we can't tax them. They hate the US as it is and has been. They are financed by big corp money They use the same tactic that stir up trouble with ethnic groups just like the pseudo democracy of Russia. This tactic will create a true psuedo democracy here by breaking Unions, eliminating the minimum wage, doing away with middle class education and promoting the goal of their corporate founders of low wages. Read the True believe by Hoffer. Hoffer was not rich. he was a very smart worker that wrote a great book decades ago that ring true today.

                                            Reply#15 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT

                                            Except that I can't think of any Tea Party candidate advocating these things. Who wants to get rid of public education, or minimum wage? I've heard a few Democrats accuse their opponents of it, but that's all.

                                              #15.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT
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                                              Nothing like an overweight family to tell me How it's done.anything with majority white males has been nothing good for any Africans

                                                Reply#16 - Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT

                                                What astounds me when everyone is criticizing Obama about his "unsuccessful" stimulus package is that they have forgotten how perilous our situation was when he first took office. The company I work with sells industrial machiners and in our area there was NOTHING going on. NOTHING being sold. This was at the end of Bush's term. Obama inherited this crisis and I know that without his stimulus package our company would not have been able to ride out the economy that Bush created. If the car companies had gone out, it would have taken out untold hundreds of companies.

                                                As things started getting better, a lot of the equipment we were selling was going to other companies working on projects that were there because of the stimulus package. If it had not been for those projects, we would have had to cut our staff back even more than we already had.

                                                The common saying around here is that our area starts to feel a recession a few months before the rest of the country. That has held true for the last three or four recessions we have had. We also start coming out of it a few months before the rest of the country. Again, that seems to have held true. This means that while we felt how bad things were right before Bush was leaving office, it seems every one else felt the worst of it a few months after Obama took office. Because of this they blamed his administration for it more than Bush's. Too bad, because they are missing the real cause of their current problems.

                                                  Reply#17 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT

                                                  MSNBC--STOP ADVERTISING EVERY DAY FOR THIS SMALL MINORITY MOVEMENT WITHIN THE ELECTORATE.

                                                  ONE day was enough. What's this about? Are you also receiving MILLIONS of dollars from the Billionaire Koch and others who have organized this "authentic" movement?

                                                  YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. HOW DARE YOU REFER TO YOUR SITE AS JOURNALISTIC. It's an ADVERTISEMENT.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#18 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:41 PM EDT

                                                  I would hope more people would pay attention to the person from Elkhart. Hopefully we can at least agree on the facts and the history we have experienced. TARP was oririginated by the Bush Administration ang its original goal altered by his Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson. Like it or not, the program is credited with stabilizing the banking system. For the record, TARP turned a $25 billion profit, which is a reasonble return when saving the system was all that was intended.

                                                  The Recovery and Renewal Act, the Stimulus Bill, is addressed by its formal name because I do not recall a piece of legislation more misreported and mischaraterized than this one. Review the bill for yourself, but do not listen to the Republicans or for that matter David Gregory who just flat ouy refused to report it correctly. The bill was designed to do 3 things about equally. The middle class tax Obama pledged was about a third. I repeat tax cuts. A third went back to the states to maintain crucial services and that would be police, firefighters and teachers to keep them on the job. The final third was for infrastructure. $787 billion was never intended to just create jobs. In spite of what you might hear from John Boehner or Mitch McConnell and unfortunately the aforementioned Mr. Gregory, that is what the bill did. A little sketchy on the math, that would equate to more than $500 billion back to taxpayers directly or to their states. For effectiveness check with the CBO estimates, please check.

                                                  I read of some peoples' desires to let the car companies and the banks fail and wonder are they looking past the name on the door. Manufacturing jobs in this country have been eliminated for decades. Service jobs are being outsourced to improve some company's bottom line and executive bonus package strongly assisted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Yes that is U.S. in their name, not the People;s Republic of China or India. Steel gone. The textile mills in the Carolina gone. The dotcoms gone. To return 30 million americans to work is going to take an immense private industry partnership with federal, state, and local governments. Recreating an american marketplace driven by working americans is in all our best interest not just the top 2 %.

                                                  Healthcare is too big a hurdle to jump over. We are talking about people willing to believe the Congress of the Unites States is crafting legislation with death panels in it. No matter what you think of Obama. the Representatives and Senators crafting this is from your states. How and why would anyone believe their own is capable of this? Your legislative representatives have said over and over if you like your plan, keep it. Forget Obama! Why would they lie publicly? As I said, it is too big a hurdle to get people who would believe these two things to change their minds. You might want to ask yourself why those insurers you believe in reaised their premiums astronomically before the legislation took effect. Was that about costs or profitf?

                                                    Reply#19 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
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