STOP THIS NONSENSE ARGUING AND PAY ATTENTION. Whether or not you guys think Israel are the bad guys, no peace will come until the Palestinian people vote in better leaders. They are consistently putting their trust into leaders such as Hamas, because Hamas builds them hopsitals and schools (from where they send bombs into Israel). The Palestinian people need to put their faith in a moral, ethical leader that will work with Israel toward peace. Then, Israel has to step in and be understanding. But right now, the Palestinians will only agree to peace if they get full ocntrol over their borders. How the hell is Israel supposed to trust a terrorist organization into controlling the borders.

Hamas is in Gaza, and not the West Bank, where Israel continues to build settlements.

What do you call the prior ten months of a unilateral construction freeze? And where are these US citizens and soldiers who are in jeopardy for Israel's sake? But God forbid the State of Israel should be recognized as a Jewish State, that's just going too far for the sake of reciprocity, right?

This is the craziest and scariest thing I've read in a long time. You do realize that it's 2010 right? That maybe we shouldn't be treating other humans like animals just because of some horribly insane book written by a tribe of near savages thousands of years ago?

Promised to them by god? This is the kind of barbaric talk that we need to discourage in Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

If you take the Old Testament so literally, let me ask you, do you eat shellfish? Do you stone adulterers? No, because that sounds crazy right? So is the idea of the promised land.

I speak to you of matters that are Spiritual. I do not expect you to understand. There is only one truth, in spite of what you may believe, or want to believe. Those who trust in Jesus and know the truth have nothing to fear, even in the insanities so prevalent in 2010. The outcome is pre-ordained. The hatred between Israel and Palestine will not be mitigated with any attempt at peace. It began long ago and will find relief only in His second coming. I pray for you and the decisions you make. They will have eternal consequences. Each individual, whether Jewish, or Palestinian, or American must find peace with God. His judgment will be perfect. I fear Him. You would be wise to Fear Him also. I will speak no more.

Go tell that to the 22 surrounding Islamic states. I don't take it literally, but that's the basis of the Jew's claim - that and history, archeaology and Scripture. "Barbaric"? You're an elitist.

Regardless what the book said, there are innocent people dying every day for nothing most of them are Palestinians women and children, when Jews were dying in Germany the whole world fought for them regardless what the book said, what can we do different today to stop this massacre, we cannot keep supporting Israel because the book said so! what about the other people? God made them there for a reason right! they deserve good life just like Israel.

We are better than this as people, we must do the right thing, God is watching us and we will be judged one day for our acts, remember life is short no one will live forever, at the end no one will own this place, it will go back to whom created it from the first place ( God )

I thought Jesus said their land would be taken away.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. ³⁸ Look, your house is left to you desolate. ³⁹ For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’

Maxeemas,

innocent people are dying every day and most are Palestinians??????? Are you nuts, do a body count on all the Israelis killed by Palestinian bombs while sitting on a bus or in a cafe, that and all those killed by the Palestinian's buddies around the world. You must be math challenged.

NorthIdaho44mag

Maxeemas,

innocent people are dying every day and most are Palestinians??????? Are you nuts, do a body count on all the Israelis killed by Palestinian bombs while sitting on a bus or in a cafe, that and all those killed by the Palestinian's buddies around the world. You must be math challenged.

Actually the body count is being taken already... and it's very clear that the Israelis are killing WAY more Palestinians than the other way around...

From 2000 to 2008 the death count was roughly....

Palestinians 5000
Israelis 500

During 2008 "Operation Cast Lead" the death count was roughly....

Palestinians 1400
Israelis 5

Since 2008 the death count is roughly....

Palestinians 130
Israelis 11

Source: http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Index.asp
B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

Great points smt123 & Mila. Elitist is one way to categorize Michaels viewpoint, but I see him as a simple minded follower. Fork over your 10%, get in a straight line with the rest and learn to repeat the sacred montras and YOU TOO will go to heaven, but only if you act now!

Israel does her best to leave the holy land and sites available to all who choose to worship this amazing place, but still has her borders and her citizens to protect. To achieve this she must think in the immediate and the long term. The constant barrage of stones & rockets are a reminder of this objective and anything beyond this basic defense mechanism is an extra that she can do with or without.

lol - God said.

By the way.... I have an ancient book, written by my ancestors that says the Dark Lord Cthulhu said that the Islands of Hawaii shall belong to me and my bretheren for all time... so please tell everyone currently living there to leave, so we can set up shop... thank you.

Michael Tigges: If the victory of Israel is preordained, why do they need all this financial and military aid from the US. Why do they keep getting involved in US politics to maintain that support? Don't they even trust in their own god and his prophesy? I suspect they use the scriptures an excuse for doing what they want to do anyway, and they don't' really believe them any more than I do.

Hey Michael, I have a book that says god wants me to have your house! Where are the keys?

As to V's list of the body count, you missed my whole point. I wasn't comparing Israeli to Palestinian, I was asking about all the innocent victims of the Palestinians Muslim buddies around the world. What ever collateral damage to civilians, both accidental or intended. by Israliaes, it can't even come close to all those killed by Muslim terrorists around the world. 9/11 alone accounts for more than 1/2 of your count. And as I recall the Palestinainas were dancing in the streets over that one. So much for inocent victims.

NorthIdaho44mag

As to V's list of the body count, you missed my whole point. I wasn't comparing Israeli to Palestinian, I was asking about all the innocent victims of the Palestinians Muslim buddies around the world. What ever collateral damage to civilians, both accidental or intended. by Israliaes, it can't even come close to all those killed by Muslim terrorists around the world. 9/11 alone accounts for more than 1/2 of your count.

So you're saying Palestinians should pay for any crimes commited by any Muslims around the world? Because they share the same religion, 4 Million palestinian Muslims are responsible for the actions of 1.5 Billion other Muslims? I'm sorry I thought we were discussing the Israeli Palestinian issue, not your personal Islamophobia.

And as I recall the Palestinainas were dancing in the streets over that one.

Again... were there 4 million Palestinians dancing in the streets? Or were there several radical Islamists, most likely Hamas members, dancing? So according to you, anyone sharing their ethnicity, and religion must be equally as vile as those that danced?

So much for inocent victims.

Look... no one is saying that all Palestinians are innocent, and saints.... Many are radicalized and violent... but not all 4 million of them... Many are just normal people that want to live, and provide for their families... Thousands of them cross into Israel everyday to work, and manage not to blow themselves or anyone else up...

I work 3 blocks from Ground Zero.... I watched the towers burning with my own eyes, not on TV... I had to find my way home from Manhattan on that day... and I saw the faces of those that died on the walls crammed with missing persons fliers at the hospital where I worked... So... I could very easily hate all Muslims just for hates sake... But I would rather hate the RIGHT people, the ones responsible... than waste my hate on the wrong people, and lose the rightiousness of my justified anger by becoming a pathetic bigot that hates based on color or creed.

I agree that not all Palestinians are radicalized. But until they speak out against what their Muslim brothers are doing around the world and in Palestine, why should they not be held culpable to some degree? It is the same thing everywhere else. Muslims want to be considered peaceful. Ok then condemn and separate yourselves from all forms of the radicalism. Other wise your protests of being peaceful are seen as phony. And so they should be because Islam is not a religion of peace. That is why the moderate will not speak out against the extremists. They know it would be suicide.

NorthIdaho44mag

I agree that not all Palestinians are radicalized. But until they speak out against what their Muslim brothers are doing around the world and in Palestine, why should they not be held culpable to some degree?

Because if you live in Palestine... and speak out against Hamas... you will be getting a visit to your house... and your family too.... they're like the mafia.

It is the same thing everywhere else. Muslims want to be considered peaceful. Ok then condemn and separate yourselves from all forms of the radicalism. Other wise your protests of being peaceful are seen as phony.

You know what's Ironic about that.... the one guy that WAS speaking out against radical violent islam,... was the guy trying to build the Islamic center in here in NYC... and he got crucified in the media... so where is the incentive now?

And so they should be because Islam is not a religion of peace. That is why the moderate will not speak out against the extremists. They know it would be suicide.

Like I said.... that Imam in NYC has spoken against it for a long time... he is hated by Al Queda and other groups... but he got so screwed in the press, and by Fox watching Americans... that his voice got shouted over.... Ironic.

V.

By the way, I am not doubting the sincerity of many Muslims who consider themselves moderate. They are in a tough spot. I don't hate Muslims because of 9/11 and you are to be commended for not doing so either. But until we face the reality that the moderates in Islam are really irrelevant to the agenda of Islam, we will continue to be terrorized by the extremists. I am just saying the the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion has no credible basis. It has one goal, to dominate the world. Anyone who thinks otherwise is uninformed or dishonest.

V.

You make my point about the moderates not being able to speak out. So why do we keep giving the radicals cover by saying that Islam is a religion of peace? Why not speak the truth about it? Then maybe people would come to the support of people of like the NYC Imam if he is what you say and I am not saying he isn't. I don't have enough information about him to make a conclusion either way. But I am not so naive to think that people are always honest about who they really are and what they really stand for. And that goes for both sides of the equation, just so you know.

By the way, I don't watch FOX and I don't get my information from the mainstream media. They are the ones who keep perpetrating the peaceful Islam stuff.

Personally... I firmly believe the world would be a better, safer place if there were no religions at all...

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Sandman....

Hamas and Palestinians are not synonyms... Hamas while the most vocal, is not the majority... and the election you spoke of was won because of bribes, intimidation, and a feeling of no other choice... 40,000 Palestinians are Christian, do you think THEY voted for Hamas?

Gaza (where Hamas is in power) has a population of 1.5 Million.... The west bank (where Fatah is in power) has a population of 2.5 Million... Clearly Hamas does not represent all Palestinians.

Lastly, the idea that other Muslim countries do not take in Palestinians is a myth... There are millions of refugees all over the world including in muslim countries.... Here are some population stats... (obviously they are estimates, as accurate refugee numbers are impossible).

Total population 10,900,000

Regions with significant populations

Palestinian territories 3,761,000

– West Bank 2,345,000
– Gaza Strip 1,416,000
Jordan 2,700,000
Israel 1,286,000
Chile 500,000
Syria 434,896
Lebanon 405,425
Saudi Arabia 250,245
Egypt 70,245
USA 67,842
Honduras 54,000
Kuwait 50,000
Brazil 50,000
Iraq 34,000
Yemen 25,000
Canada 23,975
Australia 15,000
Colombia 12,000
Guatemala 1,400

Should we use the same objectivity that Europe used with Hitler before WW2? Yeah, what a success that was.

apples and oranges sandman.

I never denied that they were unwilling to take in refugees. My point is why don't they do for Palestinians what they want Israel to do for them which is to give up their land to form a Palestinian home land. No, instead they are hell bent on taking more land from a country the size of New Jersey. How Israel is made out to be the bully in the midst of a billion Muslims is beyond my ability to comprehend. If their right to defend themselves makes them the bully then I guess we're all bullies.

SANDMAN-2531700

I never denied that they were unwilling to take in refugees.

Yes you did... you said.... "Instead they prevent their citizenship".

My point is why don't they do for Palestinians what they want Israel to do for them which is to give up their land to form a Palestinian home land.

Because Israel is the land the Palestinians were forcibly evicted from... not those other countries...

How Israel is made out to be the bully in the midst of a billion Muslims is beyond my ability to comprehend.

Obviously... But no one is saying Israel is bullying Billions of Muslims... but it IS bullying 4 million Palestinians...

If their right to defend themselves makes them the bully then I guess we're all bullies.

If I steal your car from you.... and you catch up to me, and start punching me through the window... and I then shoot you... was I simply defending myself?

Again, I didn't deny it, I merely pointed to an example of a specific incident to which you haven't responded to. Instead you go into the usual anti-Israel rant that those apposed to a Jewish homeland do. This is what is at the heart of the issue. Muslims already have their homelands. After the Holocaust the Jews needed their own country where they could fend for themselves since much of the world didn't. What else could they do but take back the car which belonged to them in the first place.

As for your comment that Israel is bullying 4 millions Palestinians, I'm yet to see a genuine example of that. Are their religious freedoms infringed upon? Is their freedom of speech stifled? Unless you consider terrorism their religious freedom to express themselves. I'll tell you what, I'd rather be bullied by Israel any day than to be oppressed by Muslim extremist. The only ones Palestinians are being bullied by is their own people in power who use them as a platform to advance their own ambitions. It's kind of like the Democrats. As long as there are poor people, the Democrats will always have a platform to run on. And no, I'm not comparing Democrats to Muslim extremist so don't send me any hate comments.

SANDMAN-2531700

Again, I didn't deny it, I merely pointed to an example of a specific incident to which you haven't responded to.

I won't comment on an issue that I'm not 100% clear of all the facts on.... and I'm really too pressed for time to go research it at the moment.

Instead you go into the usual anti-Israel rant that those apposed to a Jewish homeland do.

I never said I was opposed to a Jewish homeland... Although I think it's stupid to make a religion into a nationality, and although I think it was a mistake the way Israel was recreated... it is just a fact that Israelies are not going anywhere, and I support a two state solution, preferably returning to pre-1967 borders.

This is what is at the heart of the issue. Muslims already have their homelands.

No, no, no.... you can't do that... you can't say Muslims have homelands like Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan, etc... so Palestinians should just give up this land that Israel wants... Saudis happen to be mostly Muslim, and Egyptians, and Jordanians the same... but that doesn't mean a Palestinian is the same as a Saudi and should go live there... that's absurd.

After the Holocaust the Jews needed their own country where they could fend for themselves since much of the world didn't. What else could they do but take back the car which belonged to them in the first place.

There were other people ALREADY living there... and had been for generations... the car may have belonged to Israel centuries ago, but it had had MULTIPLE owners since then... Lastly ending with the British, who said, OK... you can re-create Israel here, as long as you don't infringe on the Palestinians already living there... of course Israel didn't stick to that agreement.

As for your comment that Israel is bullying 4 millions Palestinians, I'm yet to see a genuine example of that. Are their religious freedoms infringed upon? Is their freedom of speech stifled? Unless you consider terrorism their religious freedom to express themselves.

IT'S CALLED AN OCCUPATION! Israel controls when and where they can go, what goods, like foods, and building materials they can recieve, Israel has removed any chance of them having a viable economy... and keeps them walled into refugee camps... it has it's boot on their neck.

I'll tell you what, I'd rather be bullied by Israel any day than to be oppressed by Muslim extremist.

Make the distinction, as I have, that not all Muslims are extremists... I have already stated that Hamas is a vile group that needs to disappear... but there are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world... if they were all extremists, there would be millions upon millions of terrorist attacks going on.

The only ones Palestinians are being bullied by is their own people in power who use them as a platform to advance their own ambitions. It's kind of like the Democrats. As long as there are poor people, the Democrats will always have a platform to run on. And no, I'm not comparing Democrats to Muslim extremist so don't send me any hate comments.

I'm not going to defend Democrats... I think they are spineless and bumbling.... But I think Hamas is more like the far right... like the Republicans and the tea party... telling you what you want to hear so they get your vote, and then doing whatever they want once they get the power... and when the crap hits the fan, they just blame the other guy.

Maxeemas, I agree with you that peace would be in everyone's interest. However, how can you have peace with those who love death more than peace? This is the platform of Hamas who was overwhelmingly voted in by the Palestinian people to represent them. Here is a direct quote; Raed Sa’ad, Hamas Military Commander:
"We succeeded, with Allah's grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemies love life. We will not abandon the way of Jihad and Shahada [Martyrdom] as long as one inch of our holy land is in the hands of the Jews."

If Muslims desire peace why are they not willing to apportion part of their land to the Palestinians? It's not like they don't have plenty. Instead they prevent their citizenship. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: February 1, 2010 "A human rights group criticized Jordan on Monday for stripping the citizenship of nearly 3,000 Jordanians of Palestinian origin in recent years."

Let's look at all the facts before we place all the responsibility on Israel's lap.

Sandman.....

My comment #4.2 was meant to go here... I don't want to post it twice, so please read it above....

When you give America back to its original inhabitants, you might have a case.

rudy,

You go first, give up your house and land and then you might have a case to make a case against mhrjhn

Nothing you said invalidates my statement. It's you who is caught up in your conundrum. As for me, I have my home in Switzerland. Gruezi!

The Palestinian leaders do not want peace.

First of all, you don't know what you're talking about. There is a division among the Palestinians. The Palestinians on the West Bank (where Israel has been encroaching on their territory) have been living in relative peace. In fact, industry is growing prominently there. Despite that, Israel does everything to make it hard on them. Whereas in the Gaza strip, where the militants are located and from where rockets are launched, the territory is completely impoverished. In either case, Israel does very little to live at peace with their neighbors.

Finally, your analogy of American Indians is a farce. On the one hand, you people claim that they have a right to that land because thousands of years ago that lived there. Yet, Native Americans had this land over 200 years ago. So your analogy is crooked from the get go.

Ok, I will give my house up...but only if its in the bible. Can we get someone to check it for me? I want to make sure its all on the up and up with god.

Exactly my point.

As I recall. those brave, gun-toting, IDF pirates wore masks. They had GUNS, gun-boats, and US made helicopter gunships. Armed to the teeth, they attacked a bunch of people armed with sticks and pathetic slingshots, with marbles for ammunition, yet the brave, masked IDF soldiers got their asses handed to them. They cried like a bunch of little school girls while their comrades bravely shot and killed unarmed people. Are you sure your want to play the bravery card?

FranzGuest

you are a bigoted anti-semitic, or just ignorant. Which is it?

I am neither. You would have to be a bigoted idiot to read that into what I wrote. Or perhaps you are playing a race card? I said nothing anti-semetic or that was ignorant. Every thing I said is the truth. If you believe in "invisible friends in high places" you probably believe in other fairy tales as well. I will not be able to help you. A good therapist perhaps?

I see it this way :

If my invisible friend says that your car belongs to me and I have a really, really old book that has a bunch of writing in it that backs up my claim, you would say that I am crazy and you would challenge me. Right? So if I take a bunch of money and pay off the right people ( people with the guns , money, and power) to help me lay my claim to your car, how you gonna stop me now you "disbeliever in my invisible friend"? Of course you will no doubt fail to see the simple truth of my logic because you have most likely been brainwashed from childhood that you and your fantasies are spot on. But if there is a god and he or she is 'just' they would rain holy hell down upon israels' failure to follow the golden rule that they have set out as gospel.

So, who is the bigot here? Who is ignorant here? Where is the JUSTICE?

Oh by the way, I happen to be part jewish.

being part jewish is does not prevent you from being anti-semitic, any more that it prevented some jewish people supporting Hitler.

I said nothing about God or the Bible. Your prejucie is showing in that you asuumed what you did.

IDAHO prejuicie is not a word. At least not in english. As for god and the bible as the word thereof, they are only ideals.

It is a scary thing to step out of safe thoughts that others have provided for you and begin to think on your own and to have your own opinions. But the people who do are able to change the world. Give it whirl Idaho!

Franz,

Your best reply is to point out my spelling error and then accuse me of not doing my own thinking, typical elitist, leftist condescension.

Yael Dayan speaks tonight in my town about this very thing and I admire her courage and strength of character for doing so. I wish her long life , health and above all PEACE!

The only ones who want to make this clearly an anti-Jewish issue are the fundamentalist Christians who have some idea that anything and everything Israel does is completely justified by God.

I would never say that everything Israel does is supported by God. They have made and still make plenty of mistakes. My whole issue is with those who try to paint the Palestinians as the innocent victims. I personally know people who have spent lots of time in Israel and have relationships with both Isaelis and Palestinians. They tell me that most Israelis and most Palestinians want to live in peace but are victims of the decisions of their leaders. That being said, for all the things I would disagree with Israel on, the fact remains that Israel has a right to defend itself from terrorism from the Arab world. Building more settlements in Arab occupied land, that is just stupid and they shouldn't do it. But does that justify the terrorism from the Arabs? No, and I hold the Arab leaders responsible for that.

Historically, there was never a nation called Palestine

It doesn't matter. It was the Palestinian Mandate and it was under British control. Most of the people who lived there were and are Arabs. Many are Christian Arabs who for centuries took care of the places most prominent today among Christians. They are probably the descendents of the first Jews who became Christian. It's all nonsense to make issues over what government was there in the first place. It's like claiming that Europeans arrived to America and found nobody there but these little forest creatures with red skin.

And right after the British took control, they declared in the Balfour Declaration to make the land a Jewish nation. Because, as you know, Jews were without a homeland at the time... unlike Arabs.

No they didn't. In fact, the British tried hard to prevent Jewish immigration to the area. Regardless, it doesn't change the facts that you continue to overlook so conveniently.

"His Majesty's government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object...." -Balfour Declaration, 1917.

Do you remember that ever single square inch of land that Israel has, beyond the original boundaries, they got during counterattacks after they had been attacked without warning by one or more Arab countries?? They surely don't owe anybody anything back. They have given back most of what they won and only kept a tiny bit for security zones.

Speaking of religious bigotry, let us read the Hamas Charter: "Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

Lowly Gentile

Good post and funny as well. For my mind they will all be a waiting a very, very long time absent some powerful hallucinogenics.

Keep 'em coming as humor is most welcome.

History Lesson!

People need to remember that "Palestine" was a creation of the British when they took over the region from the Ottomans after the First World War. The "Palestinians" in the West bank are Jordanians (another invention of the British), and those in Gaza are Egyptians. I don't see anyone clamoring for Jordan or Egypt to take back their citizens. The "Palestinian" cause predates the 1967 war, even prior to the annexation of Gaza and the West Bank by Israel. The Arabs want Israel gone; the Palestinian's plight is simply a convenient excuse. There has been a Jewish presence in Israel for 3500 years- the Muslims haven't been around for half that long. The Romans took Israel from the Jews; the Byzantines (Western Romans) inherited it; the Caliphate Arabs took it from them when they waged Jihad across the Middle East and Northern Africa in the 8th century); the Seljuk Turks, and then the Ottomans took it from them; and finally, the British took it after WWI, splitting the area into 2 parts- Palestine, and Transjordan, with Palestine further divided by the UN partition into the Jewish state of Israel, and the West Bank (which became part of Jordan, along with Transjordan. The Arabs response to the partition, 20 years before the West Bank and Gaza were issues, was an attempt at annihilation of the Jewish state- and so far, 61 years later, only Egypt and Jordan, the 2 countries who lost the territory disputed by the Palestinians (only Syria gripes about the Golan), are the only ones who have normal diplomatic relations with Israel and recognize Israel's right to exist. Odd, no?

The land of Israel was and will always be that of the Jews; we don't see Israeli Jews who were thrown out of Iraq, Iran, Syria asking for their land, (right of return) homes, businesses, etc back (about 800,000 of them)- perhaps those countries should give the Jews former properties to the "Palestinians", and call it square?

Some Christians believe that the oppressed have become the oppressors' given their treatment at some shrines. Can you blame them given the history of the region, the Churches treatment of them over the last five hundred years and their legitimate security concerns after seeing their loved ones blown up by suicide bombers. Context is everything hare since Israel is a small country and the loss of 30 people there is the equivalent to a 9-11 here. The fact is Christians would not have had any access to those shrines if they were under control of the Palestinians. You have only to look at desecration of Christian holy places throughout the Muslim world for the answer to that question.

All that being said, I do believe that all settlement activity should cease and that any talks should be based on the Saudi Proposal.

Chew on that and try to post a semi intelligent response!

Wel said Torpedo You, thank you

B Willard:

So your response is essentially [inject whiny intonation of spoiled child] "well THEY did it tooooo".

That personifies Israel. A spoiled child who keeps poking the neighborhood dog with a sharp stick until it bites. Then the brat runs to get all his relatives, and their tanks, white phosphorous artillery shells, cluster bombs, automatic weapons, low yield nukes, and missiles and proceeds to kill the dog. And everybody who ever fed the dog. And everybody who is suspected of patting the dog on the head. And everybody who ever may have seen the dog wag its tail. And everybody who is suspected of having a fondness for dogs. And everybody who has a cat that may have been chased by the dog. And everybody who had a mouse in their neighborhood that might have been chased by a cat that was suspected of having been chased by the dog.

Then the child's relatives bulldoze the empty houses, because they were abandoned, and subjugate the remaining people as construction workers to build houses for more spoiled brats to move into. To make the whole thing palatable to the American taxpayer, who's paying for all that hardware, they call the interlopers "settlers". Yup, they's jes' pioneers. Good , god-feerin' folk.