My all time favorite song.

Goes good with the poster "What if they gave a war and nobody came"

Tim - since you called Eli ignorant - I will call you a moron! Ok - so, because you are an American and everything has to be fair with you - ie - BOTH parties are to blame - so you point the finger at the extremist right in Israel - are you kidding. You is really ignorant. Not a single palestinian would die if they would stop sending over bombs - and terrorists - The religious right in Israel want nothing to do with war - they just want to go on with their lives.

Tim-3883011

You have shown your complete ignorance of what is the root cause of the continuing middle east wars by claiming ""the extreme right on each side are the ones to blame..." how noble of you to assign equal guilt to both sides, how very pc of you, i bet you get most of your information from main stream media aka NY Times, CNN, NBC. But totally incorrect.

The real reason for the fighting is the absolute refusal of the Arab/Iranian/Islamic powers in the middle east to accept a non-M uslim country in "their" middle east. You and other l iberals think "people are just people, we are all alike" and therefore you spread the blame and find a moral equivalence between Israel and the Arabs. That is just not the way it is. Take off the rose colored glasses and put down the cool aid. The M uslims do not want an Israel to exist at all, with any boundaries, even if it were to be just 5 square miles. All the posturing, all the promises, all the excuses for not negotiating are just a bluff to buy time until they can wipe Israel off the map. You and the liberal folks in this country are just being naive enablers of their aims.

right wing extremist? Are you sure they are not left of center extremist? Only right wingers long for a sovereign state? For all you know, the person that perpetrated the attack on Israel might be a member of the Weather Underground or the New Black Panthers. Just call them freedom fighters and that will help you sleep better at night

When both sides have made it a crime to propagate the Gospel - this is what you get. A race war - but call it what you will.

Hey here is a novel idea don't slip into a foreign country and shoot at civilian passenger buses and cars on a highway.

They start it always and guess what Israel will finish it and I hope it's sooner than later.

Bloodthirsty Terrorists strike again.

Both sides lost innocent people yes but who do we blame the TERRORISTS who always do this @!$%#.

I don't know what to call it (liberal, conservative, right, left) but "extremism" is in, I think, any opponent's eyes.

So, I believe the issue is different... it is simply not having the same value system and being unable to define the ones we oppose. Every attempt Israel has made to be moderate has been abused by Islam (remember the Oslo Accords in 1993... the 7 day War and its reasons ... et cetera et cetera et cetera)

There is one thing that is constant: the continuous affirmation by Islam that their purpose is total extermination of all Jews. This is not a secret. They publicize it again and again. They are proud of it.

Proof of that has been unimpeachable, and it goes beyond the extremism of who is right or who is wrong. Under the Oslo Accords, the Israelis gave the Gaza Strip to the Strippers. In exchange, the Islamic hierarchy promised to stop bombing or sending rockets to Israel which were killing women and children, not even targeting military bases there.

Did they cease fire? In your dreams. Keeping a contract or an agreement is simply alien to their ideology.

At least Israel tries to avoid hurting civilians when they return fire. Don't you remember a couple years ago, after actual years of no response to the Hamas rockets, Israel final accepted they must protest in a way that the terrorists understood.

But before they did so, they dropped leaflets over the Gaza strip, cautioning citizens to take shelter before hand. Since the dawn of time NO hot attack has given when and where and how to an enemy beforehand!

The Israel intent is to take out the missile engines. Hamas's intent is to exterminate Jews.

And we ... the Western World ... should trust those Islamics? They cannot define the word.

I might point out that Islam ideology today is actually based on many of ancient Greek beliefs... which exalted chicanery and taught (when performed successfully) it was one of the highest of virtues. We are not going to convert nor convince them. Their value system is the opposite of ours.

Most of us in the Western world have the Ten Commandments, and these are the basis of Jews and Christians, which is really quite a lot of people. Allah is, in my opinion, found in a different Universe from us.

The Ten Commandments gave us ideals which have come down to us from the ancients... probably over 4,000 years ago. OK not all of us succeed or even bother to follow them. But we understand them. Though some liberals and some conservatives will not agree (they get confused sometimes with politics and/or religion)... everyone understands them.

In my experience and I have known quite a few human being who live here... good people! who still regard our concepts as different from theirs. But we like each other and find many common paths.

And bottom, for me... the Law of Moses is the best survival tool humanity has.

Thanks Miss Scarlet for being rational and smart unlike some others who falsely claim that Palestine does to belong to the Arabs.

Simple Simon-1401166

...The religious right in Israel want nothing to do with war - they just want to go on with their lives.

Not so simple, Simon. Israel is WAR personified, and a pernicious uninvited, unwelcome neighbour.

Get out of other peoples homes. Stop your looting. Go where you came from and go on with your lives. No body holds that against you. It is when you destroy other peoples lives...there is problem.

As it is you have killed, maimed, and looted far longer than most, more than the world should allow no matter how chosen and special you may think you are.

You are but an Apartheid entity with malignant propensity...once the US feeding tube is out you will be DOA.

Take heed while there is time...repeating Masada is not wise.

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Well Hamas... El Cid you are not.. at least that Medieval leader was educated and honorable.

And others here... I guess we are seeing proved the Agenda of the Islamic Terrorists...

But I have news for you Hamas... you wont get what you think... and it will go considerably beyond a kick in the most excruciating part of your anatomy and leave it perpetually inert. No, I abhor genocide as you intend. And the United States isn't the only eagle in the sky.

Your low IQ is our premium weapon against you... lol... and I am not even a Jew. Repeating the Masada? Hamas.. the greatest tradition and message of Masada is one you totally miss. You could never prevail against it. The Romans didn't.

The Rome of those times is extinct. Judaism is still with us 2,000 years later and prevails. And a considerable number of us non-Jews are right there with them.

Goodness.... you are so silly.

Laid down the rocks and slings ? Are you serious. If Israel laid down their weapons....their military industry would lose billions in sales and US freebie loans.

"justice for all"

You call barrages of rockets 'rock and slings'?

I wouldn't want to be judged by your sense for justice.

Israel has every right to defend itself.

Orech:

"justice for all"

You call barrages of rockets 'rock and slings'?

I wouldn't want to be judged by your sense for justice.

Israel has every right to defend itself.

Glorified firecrackers are not rockets. The ones launched from US supplied F16's are. That should be obvious, as should be the vicious misuse of them.

And Israel is not defending. Israel is an attacking, pillaging, marauding, looting, pernicious malignant apartheid racist expanding entity. And need to stop or be stopped...

They need to go back where they came from: Poland, Germany, Holland, Britain, US... Regular normal kosher jews, sons of the soil, who have always lived at peace with the Palestinian people may stay. Palestinians are the ones defending their homeland and it should be returned to them in the name of equity and justice. Indeed justice for all. Justice will be done when all this is accomplished.

AND Please correct your vocabulary. Please DO NOT redefine words according to your whim. Let me reiterate:

Israel is the attacker. Palestinians are the defenders. Firecrackers do not a rocket make. Kapaish!

firecracker which kills. What is glorified about it?

You sound to be like one who is strapping explosives to his/her pathetic self. One who knows only one and only thing - hate a jew.

Orech:

You sound to be like one who is strapping explosives to his/her pathetic self. One who knows only one and only thing - hate a jew.

How did you figure that one out, genius? What ugly hyperbole you scribe. What absurd inverted logic you invent. Yours is a standard ZioneFascist ad hominem attack honed to deflect attention from Israel's heinous crimes against humanity, mass murder and decimation of a people; the most egregious internment of a nation, the like of which the world has never seen. The Crucifixion, the Inquisition, the GestapoSS, are a poor second to the fiendish Zionist Murder Torture Death Machine.

And you have attempted to fudge the issue. I don't hate Jews, in fact quiet the contrary. I have nothing but compassion for the Jews, to whom except for Islam, history has not been kind...thanks to the anti-semitism concocted into the Bible and the Christianist fabrications of the Gospels. What I hate is inequity, apartheid, robbery, murder, deceit. And home invasion!

The Palestinians are fighting to oust a diabolically clever foe, a most cunning enemy ever - The Zionist Master Criminal - armed to the teeth home invader...with whatever they can muster.

Strapping explosives on ones self and choosing "Give me liberty, or give me death" is not pathetic but the elan of the ultimate warrior - The Palestinian freedom fighter par excellence! Courage and determination are never pathetic. Always admired and endearing, as history records; and while the mind comprehends not, boggles, the heart knows.

Had Palestinians the option to strap cluster bombs onto F16s, missiles onto US supplied remote controlled drones in their fight for freedom, and given the certainty of returning home after bombing runs on a devastated population, to dinner and tv with their friends and families - would they then rather chose "strapping explosives" and martyrdom? Freedom has a price Palestinians are willing to pay; and Israelis able to extract in pounds of flesh, Palestinian blood.

Sooner rather than later, American people will begin to recognizes the leech on their jugular - Israel will then have to finance its slaughter of the Palestinian people on its own. Without the unending supply of sophisticated weaponry, armor, and succor from the US, the cowardice of the Israeli solider will be apparent, obvious to the Palestinian warrior who will then respond with a telling blow.

The racist tyranny of the Zionist Apartheid will end. History itself guarantees the defeat, tyrant's end. READ and be free of your slavish hypnotised brainwashed mind. BE free of the Zionist yoke!

Hamas, you first. Let the rest of us put you in a corner with your dunce cap on. (Better than a yoke.)

Since you yourself have the supreme edge on the ad hominem fallacy looks like you want to save it just for yourself.

I see you are very involved with the flawed generalization, with guilt by accusation (no factual sources), but worst of all, non sequiturs galore, and begging the question.

But maybe I can reduce that to the obvious: you do demonstrate that you may be a born-again ignoramus bigot, drowning in cliches.

btw... did you know that the word "Palestine" evolved from "Philistine," which was a word coined by the ancient Romans for a few small, primitive tribes of Arabs on the Eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea? In fact, archaeologists have recently found some artifacts proving they existed once upon a time.

They were big in size (for those days), small of mind, and Goliath was the biggest. Remember David outfoxed him with a sling shot?

That David prevailed is a metaphor that, as a youngster, one of the most important Kings of ancient Judea vanquished the Philistines. Now, if you cannot see the imagery of that, look again.

The original name given to the area where the tribes meandered was Philistia. Its common definition is "barbarian invader." But no artifacts of a later period have been discovered. In fact, later accounts indicate they became extinct.

Hmmm No such luck. I think they missed one and goodness he even learned to type.

No surprise. Even today we call ignorant pushy people "philistines."

Don't have to imagine: just ask North Koreans, Russians from the Stalinist era, South Sudanese, et al.

I wonder if you attend public - i.e., government -schools?

Jayntroy2,

You need to seriously read some impartial history books instead of just watching Al Jizera and listening to the Jimmy Carter's of this world. Also, you need to brush up on your spelling, it's Israel, not "Isreal". There never was an Arab Palestine, there only has been a Jewish and Christian Palestine. The little rat Yassir Arafat (Egyptian by birth) conjured up "The Palestinian people" in the aftermath of the 1967 war while his buddies hijacked airliners and bombed schools, and he diverted billions in US and European aid to support his wife who lived in a castle in France while common people suffered. There are no Palestinian people, only Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, & Lebanese who were basically nomadic (wanderers) and wanted to have nothing to do with the land of Israel until the Jews came in and turned a desert wasteland into a clean, prosperous, modern nation. Now the Arabs want it all back, and more. You ought to go join code pink, your intelligence level is right in line with those airheads.

Sure looks like you went to Government schools, too - as did I, unfortuantely. You need to ask if Israel was responsible for the eight-year carnage between Iraq and Iran, Hussein's occupation of Kuwait, et al. Then go buy a history book that is not PC compliant.

Truth you talk like there was no body there. The fact is there were people there before Israel was created in 1948, Muslims, Christians, Jews all lived there in peace and harmony. The real problem started with the migration of millions or European Jews via the zionist movement and displaced and destabilized the demographics of whole area. Unfortunately, the biased history books read in your schools wouldn't dare or would be scared to state this fact. Continue watching your Fox news and being a sheep of the right wing nut jobs.

OK Justice, yeah I was wrong, everything was soooooooo peaceful before 1948,& you are agenius!!! Please read something educational for a change instead of the Huntington,Kos, or the NYTimes:

There was a massacre of 67 Jews in Hebron in 1929 by Arabs reacting to lies told to them. Read it:

wikipedia.com/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Also my sources tell me that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent a lot of time with Herr Hitler in Berlin during WWII(1939-1945).....did you ever read about that? Doubtful. That is where he learned many of the tricks of the trade he used to kill Jews in the 1946-1948 period. Before you start accusing me of being a Fox fan and not getting history right, go do some studying yourself, obviously there are big gaps in your education!!!!

if you are not muslim you must die, thats what muslims believe.And thats what the problem is.

truthbe known

Jayntroy2,

You need to seriously read some impartial history books instead of just watching Al Jizera and listening to the Jimmy Carter's of this world. Also, you need to brush up on your spelling, it's Israel, not "Isreal". There never was an Arab Palestine, there only has been a Jewish and Christian Palestine. The little rat Yassir Arafat (Egyptian by birth) conjured up "The Palestinian people" in the aftermath of the 1967 war while his buddies hijacked airliners and bombed schools, and he diverted billions in US and European aid to support his wife who lived in a castle in France while common people suffered. There are no Palestinian people, only Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, & Lebanese who were basically nomadic (wanderers) and wanted to have nothing to do with the land of Israel until the Jews came in and turned a desert wasteland into a clean, prosperous, modern nation. Now the Arabs want it all back, and more. You ought to go join code pink, your intelligence level is right in line with those airheads.

If I usurp your desert land and home and turn it in to a garden and palace with some help from 'friends', does it become mine...specially if I get some heavy arms too from friends...is that a guarantee of my right of ownership of your land? Is it fair and equitable? Is might, right?

And as for you 'nomadic' scholarship: Palestinians were always there! Way before Jesus was!! Way before Moses was!!! Then the were called Canaanites...descendants of Noah!!!

Read the Torah. Read your Bible. How far you want to go back? Ancients Egyptians? Canaanite were there. Babylonia? The Canaanites were there. Canaanites are Palestinians. Their blood is in that land, and that land is in their blood. They have always been there. They will stay.

The Israeli usurpers and occupiers will move, or will be made to move. Move or be evicted, choice is theirs. THIS IS GUARANTEED BY TIME AND HISTORY!

"guaranteed by time and history"....... very very doubtful there Muhamed. history has shown that those whose aim it was to murder and destroy the jewish people usually get thrown onto the dustheap of history themselves.

why don't you help out by the usual method? strap some dy namite onto yourself and go head on in. that is what your hamas friends like to do. well perhaps not as much as firing rpg's into school bus which is carrying israeli kids, or sneaking into civilians homes and slitting a 3 month old baby's throat, you guys really excel at that. After the muslims built their "al quids" mosques on the holy ground which belonged to the Jewish Temple on the mount in Jerusalem, you have a lot of nerve claiming that the Jews have no right to the land of Israel. You, the muslims, are the land stealers. Maybe that is why you refuse to allow excavations near there because you don't want more proof to emerge that the Jews really do have an undeniable link to that land, and it predates Mohammed and all his people.

Gosh you people (exceptions of course like truthbetold and some others who do their research) sure do not know how to find objective facts... Anti-Semitism seem rife here. And perhaps some folks of minds so finite and insecure are compelled to make admirable people look bad. Gives them a really false sense of being superior.

First, in the 20th century alone... Read the Balfour Declarations in 1917.

Second, note the years of the French and British Mandates (none of today's Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordon, more, existed).

Third... goodness somebody named justice for all? hmmm do you have the faintest idea what was going on in the world in the 1920s and especially the 1930s in North Europe? Ever heard of the word "pogrom"? If you had seen your parents, siblings, children slaughtered in gas chambers by a madman... you wouldn't try to leave with whomever you could rescue?

Want to try it for yourself? I have a sneaking hunch you would do all you could to get back to your own nation of ancestral origin. Assuming of course, that you have a reasonably stable country of origin.

(Lately in the United States we are getting gobs of folks from other countries which they claim are not stable atall atall)

Learn the background of the Jews already residing in the area of the British Mandate, established after World War I. LOL if i read the accounts correctly the word "Palestine" was evoked from obscurity as a presumably objective term for the area, not ascribing it to any specific origin.

Charles Krauthammer, one of America's most illustrious writers for the Washington (D.C.) Post (the foremost national newspaper in the United States points out:

Quote from Charles Krauthammer - The Weekly Standard, May 11, 1998

"Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store."

'Nuf said.

Attila-3152223

TAWFIK HAMID: “Therefore nothing else remains in the hands of Israel, but to keep the superior military strength, against a multifaceted enemy, surrounding the country, and the willingness to use it for reprisal. Unfortunately for the Arabs, by their own deeds, Israel forced to use overwhelming reprisals, because that's the only language they understand...

Very “Mien Kamphish”! Hitlerish!! Don’t you think?

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[“TAWFIK HAMID The writer is an Islamic thinker and reformer, and a one-time Islamic extremist from Egypt. He was a member of the terrorist organization JI with Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, who later became the second-in-command of al-Qaida. He is currently a senior fellow and chairman of the study of Islamic radicalism at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies”].

I DON’T GET IT:

...Tawfik Hamid, a one time Islamic extremist from Egypt, a member of a terrorist organization along with Dr. Ayman alZawahiri is currently a Senior Fellow and Chairman at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies???

As I said, I don’t get it. Should he not be at 'Gitmo’ spilling his guts out, water boarded or some such thing?

That he is not; and that while his Top Terrorist Boss has been eliminated at considerable expense; the Second in Command Boss is being hunted down, again at considerable expense...And two countries have been bombed out...How come this 'TAWFIK' fella is Chairman at the Potomac Institute of Policy Studies pontificating all this stuff?

AND NOT AT GITMO? Or rendered out to some Arab country?

TAWFIK HAMID'S Bio/resume is undoubtedly ‘Gitmo’ material. Or alternatively what we have here is an Israeli ghost writer propagandist justifying Israeli horror and future atrocities to be perpetrated on Arab race human beings, people of Palestinian persuasion!

David, Tampa:

Doesn't the Gaza strip really belong to Egypt? That is some high dollar real estate there. Egypt may give the Arabs more grief than Israel ever thought abut giving them.

DAVID: IS NOT EGYPT, ARAB?

AND Nobody, but nobody gives out grief as much as Israel does. No one can be as cruel as Mossad is. They learnt their trade from the ultimate instructors and teachers: THE INQUISITION and the Gestapo-SS, and refined what they learnt...to the nth degree!

Palestinians are considered, treated, believed to be less than humans by Israelis as the Torah commands - "hewers of wood and fetchers of water" at best; to be slaughtered without mercy, at worst!

Attila-3152223

TAWFIK HAMID writing is the essence of the Arab / Israel problem in the Middle East. There is no solution in the present, and hardly any will eventuate in the future, until a new Muslim approach accept the fact of a non - Muslim entity in the ex British Mandate territory of Palestine. In the time being the existence of Israel is at stake

TAWFIK HAMID: “Therefore nothing else remains in the hands of Israel, but to keep the superior military strength, against a multifaceted enemy, surrounding the country, and the willingness to use it for reprisal. Unfortunately for the Arabs, by their own deeds, Israel forced to use overwhelming reprisals, because that's the only language they understand...

Very “Mien Kamphish”! Hitlerish!! Don’t you think?

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[“TAWFIK HAMID The writer is an Islamic thinker and reformer, and a one-time Islamic extremist from Egypt. He was a member of the terrorist organization JI with Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, who later became the second-in-command of al-Qaida. He is currently a senior fellow and chairman of the study of Islamic radicalism at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies”].

I DON’T GET IT:

...Tawfik Hamid, a one time Islamic extremist from Egypt, a member of a terrorist organization along with Dr. Ayman alZawahiri is currently a Senior Fellow and Chairman at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies???

As I said, I don’t get it. Should he not be at 'Gitmo’ spilling his guts out, water boarded or some such thing?

That he is not; and that while his Top Terrorist Boss has been eliminated at considerable expense; the Second in Command Boss is being hunted down, again at considerable expense...And two countries have been bombed out...How come this 'TAWFIK' fella is Chairman at the Potomac Institute of Policy Studies pontificating all this stuff?

AND NOT AT GITMO? Or rendered out to some Arab country or even to the Israeli Mossad?

TAWFIK HAMID'S Bio/resume is undoubtedly ‘Gitmo’ material. Or alternatively what we have here is an Israeli ghost writer propagandist justifying Israeli horror and future atrocities to be perpetrated on Arab race human beings, people of Palestinian persuasion!

Those 'rockets' are little more than firecrackers. Hamas won an election, to the best of my knowledge, though not 'our' expected election.

Genocide? America did that with hiroshima. whose the bad guy now? If I remember straight america is the one being responsible for some 1,000,000 iraqi deaths. So you still wanna talk about genocide?