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The Associated Press reports from LOS ANGELES:
Occupy Wall Street protesters who defied a deadline to remove their weeks-old encampment on the Los Angeles City Hall lawn stood their ground Tuesday as they faced uncertainty over when or if police would push them out of the park — and if an eviction could happen without the kind of violence that has engulfed the removal of protest sites in other cities.
Protesters in the nation's second largest city have turned to the federal courts to keep officers away after disobeying a city-imposed 12:01 a.m. deadline Monday to take down their camp. They argue that the City Council passed a resolution in support of the movement and that the city's mayor and police did not have the authority to evict them. Continue reading.
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Where's a good Hurricane when you need one.
I view this as a sad commentary on our education system. We do a very poor job of teaching people basic life skills in high school, and this is one of the results...we have a generation (2?) that doesn't understand how to manage money or plan for their future. All they know is they are out of mom and dad's house and they can't figure out how to keep getting everything they want. It's really very sad.
Man I miss the old fashioned hunger strikes.
The LA OWSers are building them selves a HOOVERVILLE !!! Smart move on their part . It forceses more media attention on them . By doing this they also are forceing the fat cats of wall street and our corrupt congress to stand up and take notice . Their message is loud and clear. Clean up the corruption in washington and wall street .
It woun't be long and the police in full riot gear will be told go in and destroy it. But the ows will continue on pressing the government and wall street to clean up their act . Honest government will return !!!! NEXT STOP IS DC .
bob
Bob before they force the gov and wall st. to clean up their act do you think OWS might first clean up their own mess before they spread the plague or something?
This is one ugly group of weirdos. OWS L.A. attracts the main stream media because it is a tiny enclave of the most strange characters ever to be seen in one locality. One city, out of 172 cites of significant size in California.
Here is your Obamaville. What the hard-Left wants everyone to live in, a shanty town.
Well what do you expect? OWS isn't owned by corporations like the Tea Parties, so it's not exactly like they have the money to rent space in the Ritz- Carlton.
@ Willing.Sniper, really? We had 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of GHWB, & 8 years of GWB with all their Corporation/upper 0.1% of the population friendly ideas and it is Obamaville? Really? Is there extra sodium fluoride in your water?
Truth told it doesn't matter who is in office, a D or an R, the decisions made only benefit the few. If you don't believe that, there really is extra fluoride in your water.
Looks like a strong tree house. I don't think the santa ana winds or even the big bad wolf can take it down!
maybe guidance counselors across the country could use this as an example to what happens to you when you make poor decisions and drop out of high school and so forth, theres lots of jobs that can't be filled because people cant pass drug tests, back ground checks or don't have the proper education....... why is that wall streets fault, oh there are problems witht he system but these people aren't even trying to help themselves.
Time to go home to mommy...
So you kids want to play war?????? Let's play!!!!!!!
War is coming. They are out there taunting Americans, the Police with their filth and crime. Good place for jail birds to congregate..
So needy, wanting so much attention from anyone, including the Media. This is Dr. Phil's Generation of advice--
All the scrounge people have gathered together across this country to complain. In the meantime, many are collecting Unemployment checks so they can "fly" to certain destinations of Protests to a part of a group--
The President does not pay attention to any of the OWS---or make a statement--"It's time to stop"!
Too many useless people in America.
Are they getting their Message across to Wall Street--oh, that's right, Wall Street could care less.
Maui....
The President offered his support for the protesters...before things turned looney.
Now he's stuck...he can't say he actually supports this mess and conversely, he would not do anything that would cost him any of the protesters votes...the grand majority of which would be his votes.
So...as with most things, the President will choose to remain silent...letting the little people around him sort things out.
So this is what we get for coddling the children. “Do it for the children” proclaimed the Democrats; this is what we got for all that coddling. Shameful.
Tony:
The "Little People"?; President Obama is the President of the United States--he is supposed to support ALL people here-
Saying nothing about how the Chain Gang of People collected by the OWS, are his future votes. He needs every one. This is the garbage he wants associated with his Presidency and person?
The Voters need to be well-informed, thoughtful this next time around, knowing our future President has real experience in mainstream life, mingling with them; and understands the seriousness of a collapsing Economy. The 2nd Great Depression is here.
No more Spending!!!---these "kids" are just out for a "birthday party"; actually it looks like they are setting up shop, and the last thing to do is put a Wal-Mart Sign on their business in front of the Treehouse
One problem; they don't anything about running a business, nor most are not employed!
That's the OWS for ya---Obama's empty votes.
Maui...
Mr. Obama could not care less where his votes come from...as long as he gets the majority of the total. He'd have the homeless dragged out of shelters and the illiterate funneled haplessly into the voting booth.
As for the "little people"...that basically refers to anyone who is not Mr. Obama The President tends to back off and chirp from afar when the heavy lifting needs to get done. The 'super committee' preps to go public and Mr. Obama is in Australia...as far away as he could get. Then, once the dust settles, he's right in front of the TV news camera to lay fault at the feet of others. Even during his 'health care' development, he was basically nowhere to be found...until the forty-pound plan was done.
It's a word called "leadership"....and I don't see very much of it from the man who is supposed to be in charge.
Tony:
Agreed. Remember ACORN voters bussed in to vote. They believed all were going to get their mortgages, rent, food, and health care paid for. None have received any of the promises. Those people have no interest in this man anymore--
We have another type of ACORN operation with the OWS---they will sadly be forgotten after 2012---Some are ACORN organizers--
Votes, a signature on a ballot, if someone shows them how to fill one out. Most do not vote in Elections at all.
Numbers. That does not create Leadership, as you have already pointed out many issues ignored, only to the time weeks and months later, O took some kind of stand on the subject; usually an apology.
I want to see this President succeed, yes. It has been 3 years; most people are living in ditches, because there has been no progress. No one can blame all this trouble has been "Inherited" like a Trust Fund.
Maui2/Willing.Sniper:
You two have no idea what you are talking about. I'm 44, I hold a job that puts me above the median income and my wife makes more than I do. I take a shower every day, and I don't expect anyone in the government to give me anything but proper governance. I support OWS financially, vocally, and by carrying a sign, physically. I have not been coddled and I resent that you imply as much.
You two clearly haven't talked to anyone from OWS, nor have you visited any of the protests except perhaps to vent your pathetic screeds. Either that or you have, but you instead choose to lie.
Take your lies elsewhere. Free speech does not include made up bologna presented as truth - that would be slander. Your hateful speech is neither protected nor appreciated.
TH...
I believe they are offering "opinion"...which others are free to agree or disagree with. You cannot "slander" someone with a personal opinion.
And are any who wish to express an opinion obligated to first visit an OWS protest site before putting that opinion into words ? I live in Connecticut...where the so-called protest near the state capital was made up mostly of SEIU union members. Am I supposed to have a discussion with them before forming anything I might put into written words ?
You are right about one thing..."free speech does not include made up bologna presented as truth"...that should apply to the protesters, as well as anyone else.
None of these are presented as opinion.
The OWS are criminals, plain and simple criminals. The are openly defying numerous laws and being supported by elected Democrats in just about every city. Stop wasting precious tax dollars and remove this trash from the Public areas. Those areas are for everyone to use and not just for the OWS to destroy. They are a bunch of drug addled deadbeats and those that support them are just as bad. They believe that everyone else should fully support them and pay their bills. Any contributions to the OWS should be used to repair the damage they have done to the public areas, reimburse law enforcement for protecting them, repair the damage done to private property by the OWS members and maybe if anything remains that could be used to reimburse the jails and prisons to which the OWS should be incarcerated.
JoeB: You know this how? Have you been to an OWS protest?
I'm not a criminal. I have not defied a single law in my participation. I'm not a deadbeat. I'm not a drug user outside of that prescribed by my doctor. I am happy to pay my own bills and do so. I don't expect others to pay for my needs, because I am capable of doing that myself.
Maybe you should take your ignorance to a protest and find out the truth instead of spreading lies.
THammock
JoeB is applying the actions of a minority of the Protesters who have broken the law against them all. That is....well that is what OWS does, OWS says all corporate people are bad because of a minority of corporate law breakers.
Tony:
Thumbs up on the State of Connecticut---Go Huskies!
"City Hall Stronghold"? Looks more like a tree house full of junk.
This has become nothing more than a joke. They are hurting whatever cause they once had.
What a bunch of morons. Too bad we can't put them on a boat and ship them somewhere.
I hope they are not "Street People" with Mental problems, such as most on the City's street who have untreated Schizophrenia.
True fact.
Head em up, move em out...
This is what happens when you adopt the "warm and fuzzy" approach to dealing with the protesters like Villaraigosa has.
In L.A. most laws are optional.They can't even keep Lindsay Lohan in jail more than one hour due to costs. The city is broke, broke, broke.
Hippie construction at its finest.
The Hippies of the 60′s will almost uniformly tell you that their “movement” was a failure. They thought they could live a communal life of love and friendship. What they found was basic human traits such as laziness, jealousy, envy, and filth.
The hippies in a commune would not do their fair share of the work.
Cleaning, cooking, gardening, etc. More and more people came to just take a handout and do nothing and they couldn’t survive. ( sound familiar?!)
Now they are grown and tell about how their vision was wrong.
Willing Sniper I wish I could vote your comment up by more than one vote.
And to think...another article referred to this as being an, "elaborate tree house." I half expected Swiss Family Robinson...but instead saw that ghetto abode.
I wonder if they got a building permit for that.
No. They didn't get any permit. Don't have any permit.
The Bill of Rights is their permit, WS.
The Supreme Court says your wrong. They do not have "superior rights".
The Supreme Court has already ruled that city ordinances CAN be used to stop protests as long as those laws/ordinances are subject neutral. That means the same goes for everyone; all groups are subject to the same ordinances regardless of political leanings.
Willing.Sniper, you fan of all the SCOTUS decisions? Emminent domain perhaps? If you believe you're better off with 0.1% prospering... here's your Kool Aid with extra fluoride.
I thought it was supposed to be "1%" that are "propering" while the other 99%...like that nimrod in the above photo...who are working their butts off to create a better place for all ???
Once again, WS, explain how equal rights is suddenly now "superior rights." Go on. Take your time if you have to.
Toasty...you're being quite ridiculous at this point. It's obvious you wouldn't be standing anywhere because you're too busy following WS around on the forums and commenting on anything you feel your opinion adds value to. Other people here are actually debating their opinions in an adult fashion, you on the other hand are just trolling. Seriously.
Simply laughable.
Since when was protesting considered Un-American? If you don't agree with the cause, that's fine. But don't rip on folks just because they are protesting something you consider unorthodox.
There is nothing wrong with protesting Tohkrah, but you have to do it legally. Just because you put a " protesting tag " on the event does not mean you can break local laws.
When your actions negatively impact others (ex: taking over a public park, and effectively asking taxpayers to pay for your "sit in" costs of cleanup, extra law enforcement, etc.), then I have a problem with it. The OWS crowd could learn from the TP crowd. When they protested they did it legally and covered the costs of their protests.
Immitating the 1960's and early 70's?.
What a lousy job of Organization. What is their next plan? and destination?
The OWS are infringing on the rights of others. They do not have "superior rights".
The Supreme Court has said before when it comes to the 1st Amendment & free speech; if a protest is denying anyone else of their rights, it CAN be restricted, it CAN be stopped.
The OWS tents and occupation deny the rights of others who may want to use the area in peace. It denies the right of others that don’t want to be intimidated in a public area. It denies the rights of others who need to pass by the area to do their daily business.
So basically WS thinks that anyone who steps outside their own front door is denying him his own civil rights. I mean, because someone is standing on the two square feet of public ground in front of their home, that's denying him the right to stand there.
Don't think WS is alone. Speaking as a woman with a young child I would not go anywhere near one of their encampments. Drugs, disease and crime - sounds like skid row to me. That means I cannot use the parks, resturants and shops near them and it means the businesses in question do not get my money.
PJ...
Right...and those businesses are being harmed and OWS cares not. And taxpayers are wasting millions of their dollars dealing with these messy protests...and OWS cares not.
Arrest them all and throw max fines on their arses..
This is long past a " peaceful protest " and they are asking for violence.
When the police come to evict them, and they should be evicted, they are going to put up a fight.. Someone is going to get hurt, and all the OWS people and the media will then blame the police.
I would put better odds on the above happening then the sun rising every morning.
Jeremy:
It could be another "Watts" in LA; during the 60's. Expect big trouble. People have already been murdered, and raped.
Aw...isn't that sweet. They built a hippie tree house fort. I am sure the cops are scared to death and that the Wall Street bankers will turn over everyone else's money to them right away.
Dear Lord, please bless these young college students as they fight the deamons of wallstreet.
And be with the above writers who are obvoulsly very threatned and terrified of the force that these young intelligent minds possess.
They know not that they worship the false idols of industry and the media.
And as they realize that they will never move out of thier doublewide, because the American dream no longer exists, reguardless of president, I ask that you send them their free million dollars that they have been praying for, so that they too can feel like the gods of industry that they worship.
Amen
You should be saying a prayer for the billions who wish they had a double wide, instead of hundreds to lazy to work for one.
Holy,
Most of these OWS protesters are full time college students, how is that lazy?
If they are so intelligent, where is their list of solutions? All I'm hearing are complaints.
If they are so intelligent, where are their candidates? We are still a democratic republic in this country, so whining on street corner is not going to effect change in Washington.
If they are so intelligent, why have they resorted to violence? It seems to me that violence is the quickest way to quell a following of reasonable people.
If they are so intelligent, why do they insist on alienating everyone who disagrees with them? It seems to me that they should embrace the dialogue.
If they are so intelligent, why are they preventing the people they claim to be fighting for from going to work? It seems to me they are just as selfish in their pursuits as they people they are railing against.
I could go on and on and on...
You should go back and take a look at the "MSNBC photo blog", if most of those folks are college students, then graduation age must be around 35 now. If they are college students, then get back to class and learn something.
PH, Not that you will open your mind to an alternate viewpoint, but here goes.
In order to solve problems you must first identify problems.
Your beloved candidates are are a big part of the problem. have you ever heard the term "cutting off the hand that feeds you"
During protests, violence sometimes happens, remember the the 60's, it could be a hell of alot worse.
Alienating? ive had many conversations with protesters. and not i dont agree with everything they say. I dont think this alienation claim is your own.
With leadership that will change.
It's been months now. I think everyone understands what the problems are. It's time to put or shut up.
My beloved candidates? Who said I loved any of the candidates? Actually, I dislike them all. I am realistic though and, whether you like it or not, we have a political process in this country (as a democratic republic) that must be followed to implement change in D.C. Please explain to me how building a fort in L.A. is "cutting off the hand that feeds."
Perhaps. But if they were smart they would realize it does more harm than good and they would do something about it - or at least take some personal responsibility for it. That was my only point.
Really? Is that why you assumed I wouldn't have an open mind before even posting anything? Is that why you called them my "beloved" candidates? You could have made your post without alienating assumptions.
If and when a leader does emerge, I will re-assess the movement. Until then, I can only comment on what I see and hear today. Right now, it is a mess of a movement that has had very little impact on Wall Street or Washington and has caused a great deal of stress to hundreds of working men and women that OWS claims to be fighting for.
You have made some good points. I apologize for my assumptions.
My point on "the hand that feeds you" is this:
Many politicians are being "fed" by wall street, the same people that the protesters oppose. So don't be surprised if no major political figures stand up to show their support.
I cant help but to ask a couple of questions.
Why would the media portray people who are exposing corruption as bums? We know our beloved politicians are getting fat green from wall street, is it possible that wall street influences the media as well?
Why has the president not said anything opposing the outbursts of violence?
Why has no influential political figure stepped up in favor of reforms on wall street? I guess this is the same as if i told the dude who signs my paycheck to eff off.
Why would any huge corporate entity fear the actions of a bunch of bums? Maybe their on to something?
Oh, and that fort kicks serious butt.
I agree with this statement. I think reasonable solutions are term limits and campaign finance reform.
I also agree that none of the major political figures are going to stand up for term limits and campaign finance reform. That's why non-established political figures need to emerge from both OWS and the Tea Party (which, at its origin, was all for taking money out of politics).
The same reason why the media portrayed the Tea Party as a bunch of red-neck, gun toting, racist losers. The 24-7 news cycle and shifting advertising environment has turned the media into nothing more than sensationalized tabloid reporting with a bias slant for red or for blue. Is it Wall Street that impacts the press? I don't think you can just blame the banks. I think money and politics in general, on both sides, control the press. The media can't be trusted any more and that's sad.
Simple. His voter base is involved in OWS. I doubt he agrees with everything that's going on but, like most politicians, he only cares about the votes. Unfortunately, he has alienated a lot of independents this way.
Great point. Why hasn't anyone stepped forward? Where is OWS' candidate?
I don't think that any corporate entity fears OWS. Politicians might, but corporations have nothing to worry about until the laws are changed. Laws can't change until politicians change them. So, you see, the OWS movement should be focusing on the lawmakers, not the banks.
Of course, those who want to stand up to corporate greed should do so! We saw a real impact when customers punted B of A over their debit fees. If you don't want to go after the politicians, then this is how to effect change in a capitalist society. Camping out in a fort in LA is not going to accomplish anything.
wow
Why doesn't all the Hollywood elite adopt a OWS child? Move them into their basement? Hey, that dude standing atop his contraption looks like the Wizard of Oz Lion.
Time for these clowns to stop their charades and commence job hunting. If the OWS goofballs applied the same effort to job searching they would be much better off. The taxpayers and the victims of OWS crimes would be better off, too.
The jobs that the orange clockwork (Boehner) created? The jobs that 'our mission is to make Obama a one term president' (McConnel) created? Where are they? Shanghai? But isn't that China? DF? But that is not Mexico? I am still waiting for the job creation so at least we can send them to look for work. But to send them to look for work where?
I have a job and so does my wife. Either job alone puts us above the median income. Together were in the 86th percentile nationally. Most of us don't camp out because we have work to do during the day and families to raise in between. Stop perpetuating the idea that OWS protesters are all jobless. It isn't correct, or even close to correct.
So, if I live in LA can I build stuff on my property without getting a building permit now? LA is letting these clowns build non compliant structures on government property? So much for CA earthquake resistant standards. If they get a pass..I get a pass.
Cry me a river, this isn't your property.
It is his property if he lives in L.A. and pays property tax.
Then it's public property. They have as much right to be there as he does.
Release the hounds.
Or skunks. Skunks would work, too.
As dirty as they look would they even notice a skunk?
Release the Kracken.
Im thinking more along the lines of backing a honey wagon (sewage truck) up to their little encampment and letting them have it. But then again, they may not notice.
There is no money and jobs are scarce, an old friend who was a kid during the depression told me they are disgusted with these freeloaders, he said in his day nobody blamed others for their problems, they just dealt with them, did what they had to to survive and they made it, he is a wealthy guy now, came from nothing, me personally, Im tired of hearing these folks complainging that things arent fair, that they dont have a chance, that they are owed something, I dont have anything either but its my own fault, and Im trying to make enough to keep it together and maybe make a little extra along the way, biggest problem I see, nobody takes responsibility for themselves now, nobody is held accountable for their own shortfalls, its ridiculous, the government doesnt owe anyone anything and neither do I, if I have more than you, get off your arse and go make your way, I do it every day, and dont complain that anyone owes me a better anything, donkeys
Saw Richie Havens, Santana, Crosby, Alvin Lee, Peter Townsend at the LA OWS protest. tghey were all in diapers and wheelchairs.
Jammed new rift about drugs. Viagra and Aricept.
Hope the "Great American Poop-in" continues. This has been quite a Christmas present for all the Cops. They have reaped all the overtime they want. And of course, the money comes out of the city budget's that also pays for teachers, firemen, mayors, hospitals, and help for the poor and needy. These lice ridden, lazy, druggy. OWS, deserve the help and attention way more than the whacked out teachers and professors that taught them this ideology. It will be good when the teachers and professors get laid off because the cops used up all the city's budgets to protect them, and then they won't even be able to get free food or medical attention because all those programs will be shut down. What an irony.
The irony is that you say all those things about OWS, yet somehow managed to overlook the overtly violent actions of the Tea Parties for the last three years. Talk about selective memory...
What "overtly violent actions" of the Tea Party are you speaking of? I sure do not remember any .
toasty has no though process. Just another lib shooting his keyboard off.
Ever hear of Lauren Valle, PJ? How about Tom Perriello? Does James von Brunn ring any bells? Perhaps you forgot about Joseph Stack and Byron Williams? Surely you remember Jared Loughner. And Joyce "Bullets Over Ballots" Kaufman.
By all means, let's talk about how peaceful the teabaggers are, and how they NEVER commitcrimes or violence. Surely these people wouldn't stoop so low as threatening young children...
2nd set. Obamaville Blues.
Obamavilles sprouting up everywhere. Next soup kitchens and bread lines. Barry makes Hoover and Carter look good.
What a great opportunity for a town hall meeting or beer summit. Our president sure cheery pick’s his fights; this could give him the chance to let his community organizational skills shine!
The OWS are infringing on the rights of others. They do not have "superior rights".
The Supreme Court has said before when it comes to the 1st Amendment & free speech; if a protest is denying anyone else of their rights, it CAN be restricted, it CAN be stopped.
The OWS tents and occupation deny the rights of others who may want to use the area in peace. It denies the right of others that don’t want to be intimidated in a public area. It denies the rights of others who need to pass by the area to do their daily business.
I recommend that folks email their city councils and mayors to ask if they think the OWS has "superior rights"? and ask WHY are not be held to the same standard any other groups is?
(not complying with basic city ordnances, nor being required to purchase a permit)
ROFL, and pray tell, what rights are they infringing upon?
It's in his post, Toasty; try reading it a little more carefully:
They deny the rights of people who want to use the public land they've taken over, and they deny people's right to free travel when they block streets and stores. Do you understand now?
So let me get this straight... If I leave my apartment and stand on the sidewalk, I'm violating your rights, because you no longer are able to stand on that two square foot plot of concrete that I'm now standing on? So everyone standing on public property is violating your rights? Everyone who is outside their own private property is infringing upon your civil rights?
Nice try, Toasty, but that's not what's happening here. OWSers are taking over an entire park, living in it 24/7, and building structures in it now. Without permits.
And you forgot that whole blocking free movement thing. Got a fail argument for that one too?
You can go to the park if you want. Go ahead. You just have to accept that other people are present, because it's public property.