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Subscribe to RSSAmid rising anger, Pakistan's military has released a set of images which it says show the remote border posts attacked by NATO helicopters and fighter jets on Saturday in an incident that has soured relations between Pakistan and the United States.
Inter Services Public Relations - Pakistan Defence Forces via AFP - Getty Images
An image released by Pakistan's Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) on Nov. 30 shows smoke rising apparently after a cross-border NATO air strike on Pakistani border posts on a mountain in the Mohmand tribal district on Nov. 26, 2011.
Inter Services Public Relations - Pakistan Defence Forces via AP
An image released by Pakistan's Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) on Nov. 30, 2011 shows a Pakistani army post reportedly targeted by NATO helicopters resulting in the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Inter Services Public Relations - Pakistan Defence Forces via Reuters
A still image taken from an ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) video released on Nov. 30, 2011 shows a white flag in a Pakistani army post after a NATO attack in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border area on Nov. 26.
Inter Services Public Relations - Pakistan Defence Forces via Reuters
A still image taken from an ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) video released on Nov. 30, 2011 shows a destroyed Pakistani army post after a NATO attack.
Reuters reports:
A senior Pakistani army official has said a NATO cross-border air attack that killed 24 soldiers was a deliberate, blatant act of aggression, hardening Pakistan's stance on an incident that could hurt efforts to stabilize Afghanistan.
Major General Ishfaq Nadeem, director general of military operations, said NATO forces were alerted they were attacking Pakistani posts but helicopters kept firing.
"Detailed information of the posts was already with ISAF (International Security Assistance Force), including map references, and it was impossible that they did not know these to be our posts," Pakistani newspaper The News quoted Nadeem as saying at a briefing held at army headquarters on Tuesday.
The army released a video to the media showing what it said were the Pakistani border posts -- rough constructions of large stones, corrugated metal and canvas in isolated positions.
Filmed from a helicopter, it also showed foxholes and what appeared to be a mortar emplacement surrounded by rocks.
Nadeem was adamant NATO had been told it was attacking Pakistani positions. "They continued regardless, with impunity," The News quoted him as saying. Read the full story.
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Saturday's incident on Pakistan's border with Afghanistan has complicated U.S. attempts to ease a crisis in relations with Islamabad. Senior U.S. officials tell NBC News they have no additional details regarding the US/NATO airstrikes. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.
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Accidents Happens, and I don't know all the details of what actually happened but if I was seeing that stone and cobble camp, based in the middle of no where, with over a dozen armed guys through the usually preferred method of a Predator UAV Camera from couple miles high up, I'd probably think they were Taliban too
I really have no pity for a country whose government has been playing both sides of the fence for years; however they have nukes and that is a big concern.
i haven't heard much about Pakistan's nuclear missile ranges in while now, but back when Pakistan and India almost went at it about 7-9 years ago i remember they couldn't go more than 250-300 miles, and unless they've upgraded i don't think you need to worry man
I would only be concerned if they learn to weaponize one into a backpack nuke...THEN everyone should be concerned...
PS: Not a very difficult thing to do, once you know the fundamentals...They don't need to look to make a big mushroom bomb; just the mere fact of a dirty bomb is enough to cause fear...
there will be Reckoning for America someday soon.
The whole world will watch your demise
hey shouldn't you in that Deliverance movie from the 70s
a-93... Go hang out with your child molesting "prophet" in hell!
a-932122.... a registered democrat I presume?
That might have been a little uncalled for bashing someone's religious deity, the proper way to respond to an insult like that is to call Homeland Security, even if you your joking, procedure is to investigate every lead and these days if its digital it can be recorded, stored and later reviewed. So every phone conversation/email/ text message/and naked picture of himself sent using his camera phone his secret male lover he met online would all be known to at least one person, and i think that's may more insulting then bashing their religion , and the best part is that is federally funded lol
if u call that a base thats pathetic. Looks like a bunch of cave men were camping in the mountains and the Pakis call that a base. Haha what a joke that whole region is a waste of time and money.
haha right? that might have been a base once when it was built about 5,000 years ago in the stone age to ward off other tribes armed to the teeth with clubs and sharpened sticks and if thats all a squad gets when it requests a fortified position in the Pakistani Army, then what the hell have my tax dollars been going to every year when we give them hundred of millions of dollars to "fight terroism" !?!?!
Wake up call to the Pakis... This was an accident, imagine the hell we could rain on you if we were really serious.
I guess that's what happens when "Border posts" act as "spotters" for Taliban snipers and whatnot. Furthermore, the ferocity of the attack leads me to think that this isn't the FIRST time the Paki's have done this; I have no sympathy for our enemies at this stage of the war.
NO NO the two have nothing to do with one another IF and only IF you were to construct a tee pee on a hill and use the gravity to dispel all your liquids AWAY from your living quarters would it be allowed to happen and even be possible
Looks like we did a good job. A little research can demonstrate just how many times Pakistan had led us into attacks and or ambushes. America and NATO can take the brunt of it. It's ok. Why is it ok? Because they're playing along. Pakistan incited, NATO had enough. This, ladies and gentleman, is what a bitchslap looks like.
Im amazed we've put up with them for as long has we have, especially after it was leaked to the press about about a year or two ago that Pakistani intelligence agencies were supporting, protecting, arming and training Taliban fighters with the some of the money we had been throwing at them for years to fight the people they were actually arming
It's obvious to this old retired army Paratrooper that this was a set up by the by the sorry son-of-bitc*es in the Pakistan Government. They orchastrated the entire scenerio to keep the billions coming in from us so they can continue the two faced bull-s**t they've been pulling on us for the last decade.
I say f**k-em and their Camels. Bring the troops home and let the bastar*s fend for themselves.
Good job on the dirty laundry rag heads
PAK FC constantly fire on US aircraft, and if its not them, they let the Talibs fire and do NOTHING. You mess wit the BULL, ya get the HORNS. Thats a message the dune coon Paki's should understand. The only language they do understand comes from the barrel of a GUN.
and like I said, the ferocity of this attack leads me to believe that this isn't the first time the Paki's were involved in assisting with attacks on our forces, I think this attack was to make a point...
You DO us, and we will DO you ten times worse!
Umm.. Oops... <shrug>
What I'd like to see is all funding for the entire region to end. Pull our troops out.. and let the Pakistan Afghanistan India or whom ever go toe to toe.. there is going to be another war.. and this time it will be against Pakistan.. just a matter of time.. we have a few thousand nukes that need getting rid of.. just light up the entire area.. Begin with Islamabad. Make it glow for the next 100,000 years..
What do you call a NATO airstrike on the structures at a Pakistani outpost...........an improvement.
harbor terrorist this is what you get. screw pakistan they pretend to be innocent thats a bunch of bull%%%%. cut the cord to them we dont owe them a thing.
Well from the News reports that I have read says: The idiots at this post started shooting at our troops. Our troops thinking this outpost was controlled by the enemy called in air support. Sorry, should tell your troops becareful who you shoot at. Sorry Nato lines of communication are so ****ed up that the air strike continued after you asked them too stop.
Hi All,
The first picture doesn't match with the second. However there are some structures in the first picture that may match; not where the smoke is but to the right and up seems to match the second picture. It doesn't seem to look like an Army post at all. The tents are all on uneven ground and the foxholes are in the middle and not on the outside for protection.
Just a word, USA Ret
Sure are a lot of people that do not want us fighting terriosts over there. Maybe we need to let them come here and people can see how serious they really are. I have been to saudi and know how they feel about us. not know about the politicians, but do know the people.
Absolute crap, the media and the politicians want Americans to be more concerned with the border between afganistan and pakistan than OUR OWN border with mexico
BS
Military maneuvers by mexican troops in Arizona, wild fires set from kalifornia to Texas by cartels as diversions for smuggling, illegals pouring in at record rates, cartel violence spilling into this country, and not one Washington bureaucrat willing to do a damn thing about it, other than telling the states involved that they cannot.
Absolute BS.
We are loosing ground and China is winning in the economic side. They have made a deal with afghanistan for the mineral rights and we get nothing. We need to send in teams of Navy Seals to take out the nuke facilities and then pull out all of our troops and cut off all funding to both countries.
wow, i thought ideas that stupid only came from bad movies, its scary to think that someone would actually propose this
You call that a border post? Looks more like an Al Queda encampment!
The paks keep trying to blame the America for their own stupidity. If they fire on UN troops then expect to be fired upon. All the billions we (America) give to the Paks what do they do in return? Not a damn thing. I'm sorry if innocent lives were lost but the price of war is death and if the Paks continue to turn a blind eye then all I can say is Whoops!!!
Someone please tell me why we are half way around the world bombing people that live in tents and rock caves from high above from the safety of some high flying gunship.
I wonder what the reaction of our citizens would be if this happened to us....
Do you think this was a nice normal community center? Who would live up there in the middle of nowhere other than unfriendly people?
Who would live up there??? How about very poor and desperate people.....maybe they are unfriendly because they are tired of us bombing the crap out of them.....
Maybe we should be unfriendly because we are tired of them allowing insurgents a safe haven in their country. Allowing insurgents to conduct cross border operations targeting US and NATO forces. Maybe we should be unfriendly for their two face pratices of playing both sides of the fence. Taking billions in foreign aid while harboring the very people we are giving them aid to defend themselves against.
The insurgents are fighting us because we have occupied and invaded and attacked their country, look up the definition of insurgency....AS for playing both sides of the fence...The United States is pakistans ally, gives them aid...but at the same time bombs them.....
Please tell me what the mission is??? You really think we are there to kill terrorists??? So we win when every last terrorist is killed??? if so...... why dont they come here now and attack?? and dont tell me its because we have them pinned down...
We bomb poor desperate people living on mountain tops in tents and caves from high flying high tech gunships from far away......and how do you know they are terrorists???how does anybody know?? because my govt tells me they are???
And what pray tell do you call a person who straps on an explosive vest, walks into a market crowded with his or her own contrymen(mostly women and children) and detonates the vest ? The ice cream man? These people no matter what you call them have no greater purpose than to kill anyone who will not conform to their ideaology. The United States gives them aid which they in turn provide for those people crossing the border into Afghanistan to target US Forces. If you believe all Pakistanis are innocents I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you, real cheap.
How can you tello they are terrorists? Friends don't go out of their way to take your life at every opportunity. They operate through stealth and the cover of darkness, redefine the word coward in my mind for the most part.
So whats the mission again???? and how do you know when we have won>>>>??? and why again do they not come here now??? I am talking now....
I dont believe the Pakistanis are innocent...but we are in their country......what would you do if the Pakistanis were in the United States???/ You are going to tell me you wouldnt do everything you could to drive them out??? What if the Pakistanis flew jets and gunships into your neighborhood and killed your friends and family of yours ?????
How many countries have we attacked and invaded in the last 30 years??? 30?? 40 ?? do you know the United States is responsible for more death and killing of INNOCENT life than all other countires combined???
Tell me when does it end???/
Haven't been following the news about what is going on on the African continent or in places like Somalia lately have you. The greatest threat to human life at this point in time is in Somalia and neighboring countries where Alquaida cells and their affiliates. operating have caused more than 2,000,000 people to be put at risk for starvation. Alquaida and its affiliates are conducting terror operations in every country they exist. Not against the United States but against the lawfull governments of those country and their fellow citizens.
If you check the history books in the last 50 years some of the greatest humanitarian efforts put forth have been by the men and women serving in the Armed Forces of the United States. Whether flood, famine, earthquake, volcanic eruption or any other natural castastrophy. We have been first on the scene with medical, housing, food and financial relief for the victims.
How many countries have we attacked in the last 30 years, far less than Alquaida or the Taliban.
The Khmer Rouge killed 3,000,000 of their own, Stalin how many? The Japanese during World War II again how many? What about Hitler? The greatest acts of inhumanity over the last 100 years have been commited by the governments of other countries against their own people. So please if you are going to make a broad statement such as you have at least do your homework and try to get your facts straight.
fb-1473462: From Wikipedia:
The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) is a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan established by the United Nations Security Council on 20 December 2001 by Resolution 1386[1] as envisaged by the Bonn Agreement.[2] It is engaged in the War in Afghanistan (2001–present).
ISAF was initially charged with securing Kabul and surrounding areas from the Taliban, al Qaeda and factional warlords, so as to allow for the establishment of the Afghan Transitional Administration headed by Hamid Karzai.[3] In October 2003, the UN Security Council authorized the expansion of the ISAF mission throughout Afghanistan,[4] and ISAF subsequently expanded the mission in four main stages over the whole of the country.[5] Since 2006, ISAF has been involved in more intensive combat operations in southern Afghanistan, a tendency which continued in 2007 and 2008. Attacks on ISAF in other parts of Afghanistan are also mounting.
Troop contributors include the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Georgia, Denmark, Belgium, Czech Republic, Norway, Bulgaria, South Korea, Azerbaijan, and Singapore. The intensity of the combat faced by contributing nations varies greatly, with the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Denmark sustaining substantial casualties in intensive combat operations.
ISAF is mandated by the United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1386, 1413, 1444, 1510, 1563, 1623, S/RES/1659, S/RES/1707, S/RES/1776(2007)
You want more, you look that @!$%# up...In the meantime stop echoing the same @!$%# over and over again about what the mission is...Do some research if you really want to know...Jesus...
Lastly, here is the link for what and why we are in Afghanistan. As you can see the mission has evolved as much as the ISAF mission has. Do what you can to wrap your little brain around this concept as to why we are there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)
Jesus, what a lost soul...
:-/
does this mean they will no longer accept U.S. money?
"we are desiccating their holy soil"
pull out and let them eat each other