Experts stumped by ancient Jerusalem stone carvings

Sebastian Scheiner / AP

Israel's Antiquities Authority archeologist Eli Shukron sweeps marks carved in the bedrock in an archeological excavation in the city of David near Jerusalem's Old City on Dec. 1, 2011.

The Associated Press reports from JERUSALEM:

Sebastian Scheiner / AP

 Mysterious stone carvings made thousands of years ago and recently uncovered in an excavation underneath Jerusalem have archaeologists stumped.

Israeli diggers who uncovered a complex of rooms carved into the bedrock in the oldest section of the city recently found the markings: Three "V" shapes cut next to each other into the limestone floor of one of the rooms, about 2 inches deep and 20 inches long. There were no finds to offer any clues pointing to the identity of who made them or what purpose they served.

The archaeologists in charge of the dig know so little that they have been unable even to posit a theory about their nature, said Eli Shukron, one of the two directors of the dig.

"The markings are very strange, and very intriguing. I've never seen anything like them," Shukron said. Continue reading.

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I LOVE reports like these!!!!!!!!!! So exciting. And what a place to find new things!! :D

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Reply#1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM EST

My daughter scratched some letters into the back of our leather couch when she was 3 yrs old. Someone's probably going to find it 3000 years from now and launch a huge study with scholars and professors trying to figure out what it all means and who wrote it....

=)

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#1.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:25 PM EST
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Comment author avatarVikk Gabevia Facebook

It is obviously the triforce. Temple of time should be right ahead.

    Reply#2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST

    wow that is almost not what i was thinking but good kind of guess.

      #2.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:45 PM EST
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      What kind of structure did they find it in? Could be some ancient warrior training obstacle perhaps?

        Reply#3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:22 PM EST

        Aliens

          Reply#4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:44 PM EST

          They had illegal immigrants then too?

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          #4.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM EST

          You obviously don't know of that meme.

            #4.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:15 PM EST

            They had illegal immigrants then too?

            Yes, the Amalekites were one group that comes to mind.

              #4.3 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:44 AM EDT
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              Does anyone else think it looks like it was a game? Try to get a ball of a certain size into the square part of the V with the other V's to move it or change it's course. Lol who knows, it's fun to imagine though! They look very precise, maybe someone was supposed to stand there and the V's where in indents to lock it into place.

                Reply#5 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM EST
                Comment author avatarMaurice Valoisvia Facebook

                Looks like a rudimentary stick figure, with the square being the head, the inverted triangle the legs. Was "Hangman" invented yet at the time?

                  #5.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:33 PM EST
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                  Gee now those Ancient Aliens fraudster's have a new "mystery" left by the ancients to exploit

                    Reply#6 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:35 PM EST

                    Yeah, because finding links to technology that shouldn't have existed in those time is fraud...idiot.

                      #6.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:20 PM EST
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                      They were dies for pouring molten metals in to make star shapes like the star of david. Pretty simple if you ask me.

                        Reply#7 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:51 PM EST

                        Forging didn't start until the 12th century, and these carvings are thousands of years old. And I don't think limestone is strong enough for red hot liquid metal anyway.

                          #7.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM EST
                          Comment author avatarGail Devoidvia Facebook

                          Why do just one point of the star, instead of the whole star shape? And why haven't any of these stars been found? And Scotty Doo is correct, limestone is not strong enough to handle molten metal.

                            #7.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:44 PM EST

                            A star with one 20" long metal tine that is 2" thick? LOL @ 'pretty simple if u ask me'.

                            Would be nice ot have more information about the other rooms, and what is the big square void next to the V? is it the base of a support column?

                              #7.3 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:52 AM EDT
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                              YOU know, maybe there was an ancient Andy Warhol, or maybe a Picasso like person living then. Why not just a carving for art's sake!

                                Reply#8 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:52 PM EST

                                They are arrows, not triangles and they are not nearly sharp enough to have been made by alien technology, imo =}

                                  Reply#9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:19 PM EST

                                  Indiana would figure it out.

                                    Reply#10 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:55 PM EST

                                    Veni, Vidi, Deus Vicit (Jan III Sobieski, after battle of Vienna)

                                      Reply#11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST

                                      Have you consulted with ancient astronaut theorist about the symbols being alien in nature?

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                                      Reply#12 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST

                                      Agree with Kal1212...just arrows pointing maybe toward the spring? Or to an exit? May back then they were deep because people needed to "feel" which way to go with their feet because of darkness/lack of light or if a torch went out? Look like hallways to me, not rooms, that they are in...

                                        Reply#13 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:44 PM EST

                                        Comparative Value of Archaeology. Archaeology has produced beneficial information that has aided in the identification (often tentative) of Biblical sites, has unearthed written documents that have contributed to a better understanding of the original languages in which the Scriptures were written, and has shed light on the living conditions and activities of ancient peoples and rulers referred to in the Bible. Yet, insofar as archaeology relates to the authenticity and reliability of the Bible, as well as to faith in it, its teachings, and its revelation of God's purposes and promises, it must be said that it is a nonessential supplement and an unrequired confirmation of the truth of God's Word. As the apostle Paul expresses it: "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. By faith we perceive that the systems of things were put in order by God's word, so that what is beheld has come to be out of things that do not appear." (Heb 11:1, 3) "We are walking by faith, not by sight."—2Co 5:7.
                                        This does not mean that Christian faith does not have any basis in what can be seen or that it deals only with intangibles. But it is true that in every period and age there has been ample contemporary evidence surrounding people, as well as within themselves and their own experiences, that could convince them that the Bible is the true source of divine revelation and that it contains nothing that is out of harmony with provable facts. (Ro 1:18-23) The knowledge of the past in the light of archaeological discovery is interesting and appreciated, but not vital. The knowledge of the past in the light of the Bible is, alone, essential and solidly reliable. The Bible, with or without archaeology, gives true meaning to the present and illuminates the future. (Ps 119:105; 2Pe 1:19-21) It is, in reality, a weak faith that must rely on moldering bricks, broken vases, and crumbling walls to bolster it up and serve as a crutch.

                                          Reply#14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST

                                          Uncertainty underlying conclusions. While archaeological discoveries at times have provided a convenient answer to those who have carped at Bible accounts or criticized the historicity of certain events, and while such finds have helped to disencumber the minds of sincere persons who have been overly impressed by the arguments of such critics, yet archaeology has not silenced Bible critics nor is it a truly sound foundation for basing one's belief in the Bible record. The conclusions drawn from the majority of the excavations made depend mainly upon the deductive and inductive reasoning of the investigators, who, somewhat like detectives, assemble a case for which they argue. Even in modern times, although detectives may uncover and amass an impressive array of circumstantial and material evidence, any case founded purely upon such evidence while lacking in the testimony of creditable witnesses directly relating to the matter in question would, if brought to court, be considered very weak. Decisions based solely on such evidence have resulted in gross error and injustice. How much more so must this be the case when 2,000 or 3,000 years intervene between the investigators and the time of the event.
                                          A similar parallel is drawn by archaeologist R. J. C. Atkinson, who says: "One has only to think how difficult would be the task of future archaeologists if they had to reconstruct the ritual, dogma and doctrine of the Christian Churches from the ruins of the church buildings alone, without the aid of any written record or inscription. We thus have the paradoxical situation that archaeology, the only method of investigating man's past in the absence of written records, becomes increasingly less effective as a means of inquiry the more nearly it approaches those aspects of human life which are the more specifically human."—Stonehenge, London, 1956, p. 167.
                                          Complicating the matter further is the fact that, in addition to their obvious inability to bring the ancient past into focus with anything more than approximate accuracy, and in spite of their endeavoring to maintain a purely objective viewpoint in considering the evidence they unearth, the archaeologists, like other scientists, are nonetheless subject to human failings and personal leanings and ambitions, which can stimulate fallible reasoning. Pointing up the problem, Professor W. F. Albright comments: "On the other hand, there is danger in seeking new discoveries and novel points of view at the expense of more solid earlier work. This is particularly true in fields like Biblical archaeology and geography, where mastery of tools and of methods of investigation is so arduous that there is always a temptation to neglect sound method, substituting clever combinations and brilliant guesses for slower and more systematic work."—The Westminster Historical Atlas to the Bible, edited by G. E. Wright, 1956, p. 9.

                                            Reply#15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM EST

                                            Differences in dating. It is important to realize this when considering the dates offered by archaeologists with regard to their finds. Illustrating this, Merrill F. Unger says: "For example, Garstang dates the fall of Jericho c. 1400 B.C. . . . ; Albright subscribes to the date c. 1290 B.C. . . . ; Hugues Vincent, the celebrated Palestinian archeologist, holds to the date 1250 B.C. . . . ; while H. H. Rowley views Rameses II as the Pharaoh of the Oppression, and the Exodus as having taken place under his successor Marniptah [Merneptah] about 1225 B.C." (Archaeology and the Old Testament, p. 164, ftn. 15) While arguing on behalf of the reliability of modern archaeological process and analysis, Professor Albright acknowledges that "it is still very difficult for the non-specialist to pick his way among the conflicting dates and conclusions of archaeologists."—The Archaeology of Palestine, p. 253.
                                            It is true that the radiocarbon clock has been employed, along with other modern methods, for dating the artifacts found. However, that this method is not completely accurate is evidenced in the following statement by G. Ernest Wright in The Biblical Archaeologist (1955, p. 46): "It may be noted that the new Carbon 14 method of dating ancient remains has not turned out to be as free from error as had been hoped. . . . Certain runs have produced obviously wrong results, probably for a number of reasons. At the moment, one can depend upon the results without question only when several runs have been made which give virtually identical results and when the date seems correct from other methods of computation [italics ours]." More recently, The New Encyclopaedia Britannica (Macropaedia, 1976, Vol. 5, p. 508) stated: "Whatever the cause, . . . it is clear that carbon-14 dates lack the accuracy that traditional historians would like to have."—See CHRONOLOGY (Archaeological Dating).

                                              Reply#16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM EST

                                              Relative worth of inscriptions. Thousands upon thousands of ancient inscriptions have been found and are being interpreted. Albright states: "Written documents form by far the most important single body of material discovered by archaeologists. Hence it is extremely important to gain a clear idea of their character and of our ability to interpret them." (The Westminster Historical Atlas to the Bible, p. 11) They may be written on broken pottery, clay tablets, papyrus, or carved in granite rock. Whatever the material, the information they convey must still be weighed and tested as to its reliability and worth. Error or outright falsehood can be and frequently has been set down in stone as well as on paper.—See CHRONOLOGY (Bible Chronology and Secular History); SARGON.
                                              As an illustration, the Bible record states that King Sennacherib of Assyria was killed by his two sons, Adrammelech and Sharezer, and was succeeded to the throne by another son, Esar-haddon. (2Ki 19:36, 37) Yet, a Babylonian chronicle stated that, on the 20th of Tebeth, Sennacherib was killed by his son in a revolt. Both Berossus, Babylonian priest of the third century B.C.E., and Nabonidus, Babylonian king of the sixth century B.C.E., gave the same account, to the effect that Sennacherib was assassinated by only one of his sons. However, in a more recently discovered fragment of the Prism of Esar-haddon, the son who succeeded Sennacherib, Esar-haddon clearly states that his brothers (plural) revolted and killed their father and then took flight. Commenting on this, Philip Biberfeld, in Universal Jewish History (1948, Vol. I, p. 27), says: "The Babylonian Chronicle, Nabonid, and Berossus were mistaken; only the Biblical account proved to be correct. It was confirmed in all the minor details by the inscription of Esarhaddon and proved to be more accurate regarding this event of Babylonian-Assyrian history than the Babylonian sources themselves. This is a fact of utmost importance for the evaluation of even contemporary sources not in accord with Biblical tradition."

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                                              Reply#17 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:06 PM EST

                                              Is there an English translation?

                                                #17.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:00 PM EST
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                                                these are not carvings that mean anything,, they are slots for looms ,, nothing more

                                                  Reply#18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:06 PM EST

                                                  I do not know what they are but with time and accuracy , it will surface . Presuming what it is only makes one look like a fool Proverbs 11:2 2 Has presumptuousness come? Then dishonor will come; but wisdom is with the modest ones.

                                                    #18.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:41 PM EST
                                                    Comment author avatarGail Devoidvia Facebook

                                                    I also thought that these slots were made to hold something heavy steady, and looms certainly fit the bill.

                                                      #18.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:48 PM EST
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                                                      Problems in deciphering and translating. There is also need for due caution on the part of the Christian as to accepting without question the interpretation made of the many inscriptions found in the diverse ancient languages. In some cases, as with the Rosetta Stone and the Behistun Inscription, the decipherers of the languages have been given considerable insight into a previously unknown language by parallel presentations of that language alongside another known language. Yet, it should not be expected that such helps solve all problems or allow for a full understanding of the language with all its shades of meaning and idiomatic expressions. Even the understanding of the basic Bible languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, has progressed considerably in recent times, and these languages are still under study. As to the inspired Word of God, we can rightly expect that the Bible's Author would enable us to obtain the correct understanding of its message through the available translations into the modern languages. This is not the case, however, with the uninspired writings of the pagan nations.
                                                      Illustrating this need for caution and also manifesting again that an objective approach to the problems existing in the deciphering of the ancient inscriptions is often not as prominent as one might think, the book The Secret of the Hittites, by C. W. Ceram, contains the following information concerning a prominent Assyriologist who worked at decoding the "Hittite" language (1956, pp. 106-109): "His work is absolutely phenomenal—a brilliant intermingling of wild blunders with remarkable perceptions . . . Some of his errors were supported by arguments so cogent that decades of study were necessary to overcome them. His ingenious reasoning was backed by such a wealth of philological learning that winnowing the chaff from the wheat was no easy affair." The writer then describes the strong obstinacy of this scholar about any modification of his findings; after many years he finally did agree to make some changes—only to change the very readings that later proved to be the correct ones! In relating the violent dispute, fraught with personal recriminations, that arose between this scholar and another decipherer of the "Hittite" cuneiform, the author states: "Yet the very fanaticism which brings on such quarrels is a necessary motive force if scholars are to make discoveries." Hence, although time and study have eliminated many errors in the understanding of ancient inscriptions, we do well to realize that further investigation may likely bring additional corrections.
                                                      The preeminence of the Bible as the source of reliable knowledge, truthful information, and sure guidance is enhanced by these facts. As a body of written documents, the Bible gives us the clearest picture of man's past, and it has reached us, not by excavation, but through its preservation by its Author, Jehovah God. It is "alive and exerts power" (Heb 4:12) and is "the word of the living and enduring God." "All flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like a blossom of grass; the grass becomes withered, and the flower falls off, but the saying of Jehovah endures forever."—1Pe 1:23-25.

                                                        Reply#19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:11 PM EST

                                                        The fact is , thru careful examination , one way or the other , the BIBLE has been proven reliable in many ways . Those who believe in The Theory of Evolution , got this to look forward to ; struggle , suffer and then DIE . So , why do people think on living forever ? Ecclesiastes 3:11-13 , . 11 Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish. 12 I have come to know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good during one's life; 13 and also that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.
                                                        Another question some have is , why will mankind never find the work that the TRUE God has made from the start to the finish ? He has no beginning and no end . We have a beginning . We can work on it tho . John 17 : , 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ .

                                                          Reply#20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:28 PM EST

                                                          ron , no disrespect,, i read like 2 sentences of your 3 page diatribe,the kingdom of God is love, it surpasses intellect,you could put every man in a room from adam and eve till now and never come close to the knowledge that God (Jesus Christ) possesses,anyway back to the photo,, the carved box at bottom of v shape held rolls of spun linen , the loom was tall so the legs of the loom where adjustable in the v slots to bring comfort to the loomer this is the solution to this mystery

                                                            Reply#21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:44 PM EST

                                                            Carl , do not worry about disrespecting me . I take all in here as comments and I only try to reason on what ever subject that comes up . The BIBLE says that there are so many books out here that it is tiring to the soul . That also goes with comments . The BIBLE also says be sure of all things . Of coarse that takes time and careful analysis . Does that sound logical ?

                                                              #21.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:07 PM EST
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                                                              1 Corinthians 2 These scriptures says we can get to know the things of God and Jesus 11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. 12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].
                                                              14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For "who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?" But we do have the mind of Christ .

                                                                Reply#22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:14 PM EST

                                                                2 We always thank God when we make mention concerning all of YOU in our prayers, 3 for we bear incessantly in mind YOUR faithful work and [your] loving labor and [your] endurance due to [your] hope in our Lord Jesus Christ before our God and Father. 4 For we know, brothers loved by God, his choosing of YOU, 5 because the good news we preach did not turn up among YOU with speech alone but also with power and with holy spirit and strong conviction, just as YOU know what sort of men we became to YOU for YOUR sakes; 6 and YOU became imitators of us and of the Lord, seeing that YOU accepted the word under much tribulation with joy of holy spirit, 7 so that YOU came to be an example to all the believers in Mac·e·do′ni·a and in A·cha′ia.
                                                                To be imatators of the Lord , we have to know . Is that not right Carl ?

                                                                  Reply#23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:22 PM EST

                                                                  If any man is reaching out for an office of overseer, he is desirous of a fine work. 2 The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, 3 not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, but reasonable, not belligerent, not a lover of money, 4 a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness; 5 (if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God's congregation?) 6 not a newly converted man, for fear that he might get puffed up [with pride] and fall into the judgment passed upon the Devil. 7 Moreover, he should also have a fine testimony from people on the outside, in order that he might not fall into reproach and a snare of the Devil.
                                                                  To take care of God's congregation , one has to know how to do that . These are God's instructions . John 17: 3 , . 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
                                                                  Do you think God is triing to trick us by saying taking in knowledge of God and Jesus ?

                                                                    Reply#24 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:28 PM EST

                                                                    Ac1:8 , He said to them: "It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction; 8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
                                                                    The most distant part of the EARTH is now where we see this planet is practically filled to capacity . There is only one Faith that fills this prophecy ; Isaiah 2:2-4 , 2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
                                                                    There is only one that does not go to war and that says COME you people to the moutain of the house of JEHOVAH and He will teach you about His ways . They are all around this planet , from out of every nation , teaching and preaching about JEHOVAH just like Jesus did .

                                                                      Reply#25 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:10 PM EST
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