The trash or the people?

This definately sounds like our US government completely helped them out with this new plan!

ROFL Bad timing guys bad timing

Christmas time is UBER trash season

Next week on Horders...

It looks like the Liberal Convention. I saw Nancy and Harry and Barrack in their somewhere

Flex WTF does that have to do with any political party in the United States? Geeze what a dip$hit.

Oh yeah, go green baby!! Forget about what works or trying to gradually shift to new technologies without causing disruption. Ha ha ha.

Just jump in and watch the system clog and collapse.

Sounds like the liberals in the US.

Of course you can feel better about 'saving the planet' just hold your nose while you're doing it.

I can't believe this turned into US politics within the first comment thread.

Jennifer, you must be a first time newsviner? See on this thread to some people it makes perfect sense to use the worlds resources ones then bury them. As long as it isn't where they live or that the smells don't waft into their noses. Then they can blame Obama. Even if it happens in another country. The next step is a rant on communism and socialistism followed by some jingoistic statements.

Kinda reminds me of obama's inaguration, with all the crap his friends left behind.

No, Devil's Son, I've been around for a while. I usually place my bets on finding misplaced political commentary within the first six or seven comments, but I'm still impressed when someone makes the leap in the first discussion on the page.

The city is trying to play it off as being the result of a "green" effort, but it has nothing to do with recycling. It has to do with the fact that the landfill near the city was becoming a health hazard, environmentalist or not, you can't argue with physical spacial limits of storing trash. It has to go somewhere, and ignoring it wont make it go away. Mexico City ignored the problem to long, and this is the result.

@joyce

I'm a tree hugger and I don't feel good about this at all. First of all you have trash lying around in the street. It doesn't matter where trash is, its still messing up the environment. However, sitting in piles on the streets encourages who knows what kind of run off into the citys drainage system. Which I imagine would have a much bigger impact then if it were at a designated landfill.

To be honest, it's all about the execution. A good plan done the wrong way can cause as much damage as a bad plan done right. People think liberal/progressive ideas are just bad. However no one ever hears about the ones that work. Lots of them do. Because a smart person managed the execution of those plans.

Clearly whoever is managing this nightmare didn't think much at all.

Joyce:

To liberals, it's NEVER the results, or the consequences of the actions, it's always the "motives" that matter most. If the results of the policy are a disaster, as they almost always are with liberal policy, then it's always someone else's fault that it didn't work, or there just wasn't enough money spent on it, or it just needs a little tweaking.

It's beyond the mentality of liberals to see that it is the policy itself, because to do so means having to accept personal responsibility and an admission that they were wrong. Therefore, to liberals, the desire of the policy always out weights the actual result of that policy.

And liberals willingly admit this. As Alan Colmes said, (paraphrased) "he trusts the motives of government more than those of the private sector."

The operative word there, of course, is motives. Note also that there was not a word about results. It's always about motive and never about result.

Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be forced on people against their will.

Nice ConservativeNotRepublican, quoting Alan Colmes as the voice of liberals is the physical embodiment of building a straw man attack.

"Ideas so good, they have to be forced on people against their will." - The same could be said of Conservatism, considering about three eights of the country supports each.

Well put and so true ConservativeNotRepublican - see comment above.

God forbid that anyone be held accountable for actually producing a promised result predicated on their ivory towered mentality that believes government - despite all of human history's testament to the contrary - actually has peoples' best interests more at heart than the private sector!

HOW ELSE do you explain the fact, that after nearly four interminable, incompetent years of pointless wandering in the wasteland of Washington, Prophet Obama still hasn't done anything truly worth of note - except saddle us with billions more in costs with his Health "Care" agenda while turning for all practical purposes a blind eye to what people really wanted him to focus on "It's the economy stupid!"

- and yet still people think he should be re-elected? If he were tossing burgers at a burger joint as ineffectivey as he is trying to turn the economy around he would have been fired after 1 day.

If you will allow intellectually, economically bankrupt paradigms - such as those which underlie the Liberal agendas to reign supreme; agendas that seek to undermine, if not destroy capitalism as being evil - you will never solve the problem because you are refusing to confront it as well as use the only economic engine that - despite its warts - has ever proven capable of moving us positively in the right direction.

The problem is government and the more you have of it the more strangling it becomes; the liberal program is not the solution and never can be because it flies straight into the face of reality every which way it can.

Maybe we should throw out both the Lib & the Conservatives, and go back to the majority rules.

Alex,

Actually more Americans identify themselves as conservative.

According to Gallup in an article updated today at 1:00pm, 40% of Americans are conservative vs 21% liberal.

That is a 2 to 1 ratio. Or twice as many if you prefer.

Nice try on attempting to skew the facts to suit your arguement.

Busted!

D Buck,

Why don't we instead go back to what the Constitution says. Ummm?

'Majority rules' would be anarchy. When 50.1% can vote themselves the right to take the earnings from the other 49.9% we will no longer exist as America.

Koldwind,

Then my point still stands, Conservatism (if that even represents a unified position, which I doubt it does) must be imposed on 60 percent of people, since only 40 percent of people identify as conservative, no? Just like Liberalism. Just like any political position. Unless you have uniform agreement among everyone within a political system, some form of ideology is always being "forced" on someone, as ConservativeNotRepublican put it.

Alex,

Your original post claimed "The same could be said of conservatism, considering about three eights of the country supports each."

This implies that there are an equal number of conservatives and liberals, when there is not. Three eights would be 37.5%. Libs (at 21%) are nowhere close to that.

Also, "since only 40% of people identify as conservative." ONLY? Ok, well only 20% identify as liberal. 35% are moderate with 4% no opinion.

So all this liberal crap being forced on the American people is like the tail wagging the dog. Libs are the smallest group.

Busted

Koldwind: nothing hurts a lib more than the truth. Next up: conservatives are more generous than liberals (liberals are only generous with OTHER people's money through social entitlement big government programs...that usually fail sooner or later):

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/voices/index.ssf/2011/08/in_fact_nations_conservatives.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Koldwind,

You clearly still don't get the point. Ignoring the fact that 34.9% of Americans identify as Democrats according to the most recent Rasmussen survey (which is right about three eights), they're all below 50 percent. No matter which path you choose, the majority of Americans are always getting something "forced" on them.

Joyce,

I understand what you are stating but someone did not do their homework on the recycling issue, so everything is backfiring and so another black mark on leadership for the Mexican people.

No, I am not satisfied at closing a landfill. As forester environmentalist I take offense to your general labeling of "tree-hugger", God knows how many I have hugged. I too use TP and believe the resources on earth are meant for our use, but to be used properly - reduce, reuse and recycle are good words when taken seriously with a well designed collection program - but many do not even consider separating their garbage (doing so creates jobs for Americans), because it is easier to not think about one's responsibility in this area as you put trash in a single receptacle, or toss it frivolously aside. Heck, I save aluminum candy wrappers and recycle them. It is a matter of awareness and stewardship: "caring for something that does not belong to you".

Stewardship is a long-forgotten word in America in its citizenry and government - As seen in the ditches of our streets and hiways, and in the halls of our elected officials, who are tossed to and fro not knowing where to turn in their decision making. There is an answer to our woes and it is not man who thinks there is a way that seems right but eventually ends in his destruction - taking others and nations with him. We are in an era where we call evil good, and good evil; where each person does what he thinks is right in his own mind. Folks, America is in trouble because we have forgotten God; therefore, He gives us over to our own devises. And, frankly, it is not working. Jesus said come to me you who are burdened and I will give you rest...cast your cares on Me for I care for you. In Me is all knowledge and wisdom. Trust in the LORD Jesus and you will be saved. The answer for peace and prosperity for America and the world is Jesus Christ. Therefore, repent.

Now, If you want to see and read about calling evil good - this is the tip of the iceberg for what is yet to come to our once great Nation:

Look at all the recyclables - truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/Arizona-Desert-Trash.htm

And the following is even sicker. Note the "rape trees". Keep in mind that your spineless elected officials are aware but are doing nothing about this, nor is this an issue in any debates. I am disgusted with all them and will be very discriminatory in my voting. My suggestion is for everyone who views this to send it to your reps and ask them what they are going to do about it - yes, even to the presidential candidates:

norcalblogs.com/gate/2010/05/mexicos-contribution-to-the-beautiful-sonoran-desert-in-arizona.php

Alex: Alan Colmes is a self avowed liberal. My quote was an accurate reflection of his personal feelings. I never said he spoke for all liberals. But, his sentiment about his self-assumed purity of the motive of government being an overriding factor about why he is a liberal, is a sentiment expressed by many on the left. That point can not be argued.

I figured out a long time ago that its only when a conservative says something, that the conservative is automatically speaking for all conservatives. Just ask any liberal, they'll tell you so.

But, I'm gratified to know that when Glen Beck, or Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity says something, you apparently don't believe that they are speaking for a good number of conservatives.

Your statement would imply objectivity beyond what I have seen in the vast majority of liberals, by virtue of the impression you give that you don't believe Beck, Limbaugh, or Hannity represents the thoughts and mindset of a large number of conservatives, but only speak for themselves.

You do believe that, don't you?? And if not, then my statement using Alan Colmes stands, is justified, and defeats your argument about a straw man.

Or, of course, you can state with absolute certainty that you, as a liberal, firmly believe that Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity, speak for themselves, and only for themselves. In which case, I'll concede to you not only the straw man argument, but indeed, credit you for objectivity far beyond that of your peers.

Whichever you care to admit to is fine with me.

Maybe Mexico hasn’t heard of the new invention, RAILROADS…….DUH !

Then how will you get your Meth, and Coke cheese brain

So just what is it that compels you to wish such ill will, death I guess, on a whole population of..100 million people? They're brown? "They ain't Americans"? I'm fascinated with such a mentality. I guess when you read about floods in some foreign country you just say "Good! Less non-American humans on the planet!"

Don't be angry at madcitizen. (Or others that may share his viewpoint.) Feel sorry for them instead, and hope things get better for them. Only really unhappy people wish ill against others. If more people were happy, and liked (or even loved) themselves, this world would be a far better place.

that started a long time ago,didn't it ?

Joyce, it's Christmas, can't you hold off on your right wing hatred for a couple of days? In the spirit of the season?

Michael;

Happy Whatever day. Can't you hold off on your Progressive hatred for a while?

The garbage has already invaded, they just didn't bring all of their trash with them.

I guess BlurDog can't. The hatred has to be 24/7. Pity.

Maybe ukn0wn but not too many people want to go back to the paper/metal world that existed before it. Just saiyan....

We don't have to go back to paper and metal. They just need to start using bio plastics and use less of it in the packaging.

There is no reason I should need a circular saw to open a a plastic package. Nor should that packaging weigh more than the object it's holding.

I recently purchased one of those K-Cup machines for the Mrs. I kid you not, that it shipped in a box surrounded by crumpled paper. Once I opened the shipping box, there was the box the machine came in. I opened that, just to find another box sealed in plastic. Inside the plastic sealed box, was styrofoam, more cardboard and the machine itself wrapped in plastic.

We use too much material to pack stuff in. We are rapidly filling up our landfills with over packaging.

You Idiot, 7 billion people is nothing compared to the true capacity of the earth. It's not the amount of people it is the concentration of people that matters. take China for example has a population of 1.3 billion and they live on 3.4 million sq miles. the problem is and the reason everyone thinks they are over populated is that they 85% live in eastern China along the coast line cities. Most of the country is very sparsely populated. India is the same shape as is Russia. There are billions of sq miles of earth that has no population at all that could have. Politics and economics is what makes the food sources and money sparse. Socialist, Communist dictatorship governments stop development and quash incentives that cause the growth of industries that could produce the things that people need and use. Free societies are what produce things that make life livable on this Earth and while we do need to be responsible about the environment enviro-freaks actually make it much worse because they are extremist. Extremism doesn't work. This situation in Mexico is extremism and stupidity at its best. The enviro-freaks shut down the close landfill in favor of the distant one. A slower transition would have worked and forethought to the new times and volume. Now the carbon pollution from having to drive the extra distance is an impact that apparently was over looked as well as the time it takes to turn the trucks around. When it takes 3 hours to reach the new dump that means a truck can only make one load per day because it is a 6 hour round trip. while the truck that was only going 1 hour away could make three to four times as many trips to the dump. Planning and then execution is everything. Any idiot coul dhave told that you were going to have to put at least three times the amount of trucks on the road to take care of teh volume. I guess Mexico City didn't have just any idiot available since he is in Hawaii on vacation this week.

Go help your self to some Eggnog and chill out before you stroke out. It's the Holidays for goodness sakes!

Just don't kick the dog tonight or beat the wife!

Do you own a Styrofoam factory or plastics maybe?

ihateliberals-3787409

Are you not missing the point about the 7 billion?

Yes we do have the space for them and a lot more.

Do we have the resources for the 10 billion and more to come after that? for the 10 billion yes but it will be meager. You only can consume from this earth that much before it will bite you in the ass and then it will get ughly

Don't forget that the human population is growing on a log scale. Like that penny doubled every day for a year.

So 20 billion by what, 2100?

Ted: Thank the pope!

Thanx Pope!

What would Father Guido Sarduchi think about all this?

"Arrividerchi, Mexico!"

I know! Mexico City can be like that. But give them a chance, go back again and I'll bet your experience is better.

Go sell crazy somewhere else Olson

Well jon, it's because we have some brains. There are some crazies running loose and I think quite a bit of my hide and that of my kids.

What a stupid question jon

Because MI6 won't let me.

I'm sure there are like 100K 'Jon Olsons' in the US- since you want to be so forthcoming answer one question: Why don't you include your address & zip code?

The answer is that there is a difference between playing it safe vs. playing it stupid.

What! Actually suggesting a solution to the problem! Next you'll say use the methane to fuel the garbage trucks for transporting the inorganic trash! This is sure different than the other posts on this story.

Don't worry. Now it is Mexico.

We moving from 7 BILLION people to soon to be 10 BILLION people by 2050.

Like they say, you ain't seen anything yet. And the population explosion is on a logarithmic scale.

So 20 Billion people by the year 2100? Sorry that i don't live that long otherwise I would take bets on that. It always is a sucker bet when we count on mankinds stupidity

Then again do I really want to be around by that time? I don't think so.

Maybe a good war or God will be garious and create some nice pestulance to keep his children in line.

T-Starr: The conditions documented in the article are a result of poor planning, or lack of planning, of Mexico City officials, not of any individual's or any group's "horrible habits". In New York in the late 1800s, people threw trash out of tenement windows, where it accumulated huge piles in front of every building. Hopefully you wouldn't judge the hygienic habits of current-day New Yorkers from the conditions that exist during garbage-haulers' strikes ( maybe you would; it doesn't pay to put anything past such a generalizer ). I'd say that this story should draw attention to our ( humanity's ) wastefulness, and to the idea that the "away" where we throw things we waste is ever-dwindling, to the point that our "away" is somebody else's "here".

Agree 100% - it is time to hold our elected representatives accountable, since the liberals, so-called greenies, Dems and Repubs do nothing to stem the tide. Consider beating down the doors of your reps with this information: SICKENING! All the illegal actions in this article are evil - note the raping of women. I have a National Guardsman friend who told me he witnessed regularly pistol-to-the-head executions on the Mexico side of the AZ border, and could do nothing about it. Tell me that America is not in trouble - next will be outright war because we have spineless leaders running our nation:

norcalblogs.com/gate/2010/05/mexicos-contribution-to-the-beautiful-sonoran-desert-in-arizona.php

But there is coming a time it will be dealt with:
The nations were angry; and your (God's) wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great--and for destroying those who destroy the earth."