Underwater views of the cruise ship Costa Concordia

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The sunsets over the cruise liner Costa Concordia aground in front of the harbour of Isola del Giglio after hitting underwater rocks on Jan. 13.

The Italian Coast Guard released several underwater photos today that were shot on Jan. 13 of the Costa Concordia, the cruise ship that ran aground off the Isola del Giglio harbour in Italy.

The Concordia's captain, Francesco Schettino, was arrested and jailed early Saturday, a few hours after Friday's night shipwreck. Scettino made an unauthorized deviation from the programmed course, a blunder that led to its deadly crash against a reef, the ship's Italian owner said Monday.

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A scuba diver swims next to the cruise ship Costa Concordia on Jan. 13 after it ran aground near the Tuscan island of Giglio, Italy. A series of underwater photos was released by the Italian Coast Guard today.

Italian Coast Guard via AP

In this underwater photo released today from Jan. 13 shows the cruise ship Costa Concordia leaning on its side against the rocks of the Tuscan island of Isola del Giglio, in Italy.

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A diver searches inside the cruise ship Costa Concordia on Jan. 13, after it ran aground off the coast of the Italian island of Giglio, in a photo released today.

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The Costa Concordia ran aground Jan. 13 off the coast of Italy, resulting in the evacuation of thousands of passengers as the ship began heavily listing.

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Comment author avatarSally in ChicagoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

This is why I have never nor plan to ever take a cruise. The rapes on board, people falling overboard and never found, and now this.

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#1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:45 PM EST

... and planes, trains & buses crash. Everything worth doing has risk. I loved the cruise I went on. The ship, similar in size to this one, was just amazing.

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#1.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM EST

Sally, I hope you enjoy being locked away all "safe" in your room or wherever you gaze at this frightening world from. Too funny.

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#1.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM EST

Yeah. Imagine all the fun Sally will miss, being packed in a tin can with 6000 other people like tuna. Don't forget all the illnesses you'll miss out on too Sally. Cruise ships suck.

And in case Randy and LB are having trouble with comprehensive reading, Sally only mentioned cruise ships.

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#1.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:22 AM EST

And in case Randy and LB are having trouble with comprehensive reading, Sally only mentioned cruise ships.

Jack, don't be an ass. They were pointing out that there are risks in everyday life, not just on cruise ships.

And if you spend all your time fretting over those risks, you'll become a prisoner in your own home. Which by the way isn't all that safe either, what with home invasions and all. Anyone have a bomb shelter Sally can seal herself in?

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#1.4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:36 AM EST

You are right. "We aren't in Kansas anymore" when you leave American waters or step foot on foreign travel conveyances. There are plenty of untold stories that happen aboard cruise ships at one time or another. The crew turns a blind eye or worse, they are the perpetrators. These clowns come from many countries and they come and go like the wind so it's difficult to find the perpetrators quite often. Travel at your own risk, sleep with one eye open, and listen VERY carefully for LOUD scraping noises followed by intense shuddering and screams............

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#1.5 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM EST

I think Jack and Sally are married. Anything you do whether it's on a boat or on land in another country. You never go anywhere alone, people that do this alone get attacked/fall overboard alone. Unless you are on a hike on the border of Iran and Iraq, I think you'll be alright.

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#1.6 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:09 AM EST

Sally's got rape on the brain? Who knew!

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#1.8 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST

Sally, you live in Chicago? Talk about taking risks.

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#1.10 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST

I've been on three cruises, two different cruise lines. On every one of them we had a lifeboat drill before we left port. On my last cruise we had a very rough passage, but the entire crew was calm and helpful. There must be someplace online where you can check out safety ratings of cruise line and get feedback from passengers.

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#1.11 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM EST

Cruises don't scare me. They just seem incredibly, incredibly stupid. Waste of time and money if you ask me. Cruises are for people who don't want to take responsibility for their own fun.

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#1.12 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST

I assume Sally's comment about rape aboard a cruise liner comes with experience.

    #1.13 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST

    Gonna go out on a limb and say you're more likely to be raped, abducted and/or killed living in Chicago than going on a cruise.....

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    #1.14 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST
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    More underwater pictures please!

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    Reply#2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:45 PM EST

    Some of the comments from this ship's captain are remarkable! He said at one point, the rocks shouldn't have been there.... It is a tragedy about the loss of life, but statistically speaking the loss of life in this situation is quite small considering the extent of the sinking and the rapidity of it flooding. While I am a scuba diver, I have never wanted to be on a cruise ship.... the thought of being in an inner cabin is just too freaky. However, as has been stated by others, private boats, ferries, commercial planes (private planes), trains, and certainly automobiles are far more crash likely. There were 341 deaths from falling into a bathtub and drowning in 2000. Should we avoid bathing as a result?

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    #2.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM EST

    longcat-853913

    What does your ignorant comment have to do with more underwater pictures?

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    #2.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:44 PM EST

    How is his comment "ignorant" ? Youve clearly missed or ignored the theme of his comment... 1. That we live in a dangerous world where you can die from many unexpected causes, theres no need to work yourself into a frenzy over what you can do to avoid accidental death at all costs - because you cant plan on accidents (Thats why they are called "accidents"). 2. That its amazing that the tragic loss of life in this situation is relatively low compared to other such instances.

      #2.3 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM EST

      I think longcats comment was well informed ...far from ignorant. It is amazing that this could happen with all the technology available to show rocks and dangers...but human error trumps technology again. The photos show some amazing work being done. Lets hope that those doing the rescue work stay safe.

        #2.4 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:40 AM EST

        The captain was a fool and a coward. The captain is supposed to be the last man standing on any sinking vessel. No technology can save you in such a situation.

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        #2.5 - Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST

        i am not the captian of a very large ship......i have operated small boats......so my experience with really large ships is zero......but even i know that a large ship draws a lot of water.....so in other words as the captian you should know how close you can come to shore.......guessing does not get it.....taking un- needed risks is irresponsible........they need to keep this guy on land .......preferably in a cell...

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        #2.6 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:35 AM EST
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        I wonder what they are going to do with it in the end. Cut it up, try to refloat it, or make it sink into the deeper water??????? Interesting options I guess.

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        #3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:52 PM EST

        They will probably try to pump out the fuel first. It might be possible to raise it. There are some pretty massive salvage rigs. It will probably depend upon a procedure to secure it in position first. They say it is perched on a steep slope of rocks, and there is a danger of sliding into deeper water. Any salvage decisions will probably be made by the insurance underwriters.

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        #3.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:19 PM EST
        Comment author avatarC. MoaklerExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        No, they're not going to cut it up. This thing is worth a half billion. It will be in a dry dock within a month and back at sea in four months threatening passengers that are gullable enough to plunk down money for a chance at being on the first cruiser to go completely turtle and kill ninety percent of those on board. You can't build them that topheavy and not expect the inevitable. Someday a rogue wave will capsize one and we can listen to the builders blame the wave. A builder built a bunch of crab boats topheavy and they all capsized, killing their crews. You can't get out of a capsized ship. Someone has to come get you before it sinks. On laying on it's side will go down fast. You can always find some engineer that got mostly Ds in school to design you a disaster. Titanic? The other threat on these ill conceved monstrosities is fire. One caught fire in the port of Miami ten years ago and had it been at sea it would have burned to the waterline. The crew couldn't put the fire out. They don't even speak a common language. It is going to happen. It just follows the odds because the maritime agencies are bought off.

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        #3.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:33 PM EST

        Moakler - I'm confused. How did less than a dozen dead out of 4000 equal 90% dead? Your post is full of stupidity.

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        #3.3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST

        Pull it out to deaper water and sink it to make a reef. I'll never float again.

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        #3.4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:16 PM EST

        I'll never float again.

        Didn't know you COULD float. All aboard for a cruise on the SS BooHoo!

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        #3.5 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:39 AM EST

        Read it again Randy. Comprehension isn't really your strongest attribute is it?

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        #3.6 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:59 AM EST

        deryl - why don't you explain the math to me if you're so smart? Because you can't.

          #3.7 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:01 AM EST

          I wondered the same thing. I THINK that the plan is to re-float her and get her to dry dock. I also think that the reason that the have not pumped out the fuel is that when they do, the ship will be lighter and might slip off the rocks it is laying on now and slide into deep water and be a total loss. So, they are leaving the fuel on board while the divers search for the 29 lost souls, who are likely already dead. But, they want to recover the bodies. Just a guess.

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          #3.8 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:10 AM EST

          They have the technology to raise it, but first they'll have to get that great big, humungous, boulder out of the side of the ship that the captain "didn't see in his charts" that other captains have know about for eons!

          At over 2/3rds of a billion dollars and being fairly new, I would bet that they'll try to save her.

            #3.9 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:14 AM EST

            .................and the boulder should be placed on the captain's front lawn so he will be forced to remember his stupidity every time he walks out the front door of his home. That's of course after he does his time in prison.

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            #3.10 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM EST

            No, they're not going to cut it up. This thing is worth a half billion. It will be in a dry dock within a month and back at sea in four months threatening passengers that are gullible enough to plunk down money for a chance at being on the first cruiser to go completely turtle and kill ninety percent of those on board.

            There you go Randy. He is not talking about the current disaster. He is talking about a future one. Again your reading comprehension is ghastly

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            #3.11 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM EST

            You can't build them that topheavy and not expect the inevitable. Someday a rogue wave will capsize one and we can listen to the builders blame the wave. A builder built a bunch of crab boats topheavy and they all capsized, killing their crews

            The crab boats were built just fine. It was the repainting/placement of the water line that caused the disaster.

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            #3.12 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM EST

            So let me get this straight...you REPAINT the water line and this makes the boat top-heavy? Seriously? So maybe if they repaint the water line on the Concordia it will just bob up and float again!!

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            #3.13 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST

            It is difficult to raise such a large ship in its entirety.

            It will probably be dismantled and raised piecemeal, and decisions made about each piece about whether to re-use it as is, or to sell it for scrap.

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            #3.14 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST

            LOL "Where's Waldo" Pretty sure the boulder is attached to the sea floor not to mention a wee bit big for his front yard. Great idea though.

            Perhaps the coast guard can strap him to the ship until they have found all those missing and let him feel the terror they all, especially the deceased/ injured, surely felt.

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            #3.15 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST

            you REPAINT the water line and this makes the boat top-heavy?

            Maybe I should have said "repainted the water line incorrectly", as in too low, Allen. That's what caused the boats to go top heavy with the crab pots stowed topside. I'm curious, you a professional "Jacks" player? Interesting icon.

              #3.16 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST

              Maybe I should have said "repainted the water line incorrectly", as in too low

              Hmm, wouldn't the opposite be the case? If you paint the water line too low, then it takes *less* of a load to make the ship settle to where the line meets the water, so that it would tend to have *less* of a load (assuming you use that line as an indicator of how much you can load onto the ship). If you paint it too high, however, then it would take a larger load to cause the ship to settle down to that point, increasing the chances that you've put too much of a load on the deck of the ship.

                #3.17 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:24 PM EST

                I stand corrected. I was mistaken, the lines were painted too high on the ill fated crab boat. That was a brand new boat, too.

                  #3.18 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST

                  deryl - you're making no sense. But I do appreciate your willingness to just try being mean instead of explaining something you can't. Idiot.

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                  #3.19 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:15 AM EST

                  How would they cut the ship up? There is such thing as floaties (obviouslty huge ones) that they put underneath the boat to make it pop up, but I wonder if they can do it for that big of a ship.

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                  #3.20 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST

                  Wow, Randy. You definitely are misunderstanding what Moakler is saying in that comment. However, Moakler clearly does not understand anything about engineering, ship design, or for that matter, cruise ships. Topheavy?! are you kidding me? Cruise ships can withstand nearly any conditions or enormous wave that the sea can throw at them. They are extremely well designed, and capable. A marvel of engineering. I can assure you, that engineers that got D's in their course are not designing these incredible structures. Only the students at the top of their class. Also, the Titanic didn't sink because of a design flaw. Perhaps you watched the movie and noticed the giant ICEBERG that gouged a hole in the ship? I suggest you learn a little bit about what you are speaking of, before you decide to post these absurd views for everyone to see. On the final note, I never have, nor will I ever go on a cruise. I can't imagine why piling onto a floating city and living in little stalls along with thousands of other passengers can be appealing in any way.. Try going on a real vacation. Fly to some country, explore the area, immerse yourself in the culture, and eat the local food. Don't stay in some anthill of humans so you can bake yourself on the top-deck and show how unsophisticated a tourist you are.

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                  #3.21 - Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST
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                  Wow two underwarter pic's

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                  Reply#4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM EST

                  And what's your point?

                    #4.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST

                    Actually only 5. I wanted to see something interesting.

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                    #4.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM EST
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                    The way I see it, at least 25% of the people on that ship were crew members. A very small percentage of the crew had anything to do with the running of the ship, unless you think that being paid to "pamper" paying customers is part of running the ship. I wasn't there, so I don't know the particulars, but it stands to reason that most of the crew were just as scared as the paying customers and had no duties as far as helping to "abandon ship" or how to do any of it. Thus, you are going to see crew members in the life boats. If the Captain and the actual working crew jumped ship, "SHAME ON THEM" and hang them from the yard arm. The Titanic had it's problems on the "High-Seas". Vary Cold and dark with virtually no help from locals and no shore to swim to even if the water had been warm and the ship sank in very deep water. The Costa Concordia went down in cold water, but there were no "Ice Bergs" floating around ind the ship is sitting on the bottom with a good portion above water and within a few meters of shore and with many small boats and 100 years of more modern technologies to help these people off of a sinking ship. Yes, I am sure there was a lot of panic, and understandably so. But, "NO", It does not in any way compare to the sinking of the Titanic. Condolences to all that went through this and specially to those who lost their lives and to their families. Remember that these ships are made to make "BIG MONEY", not safety to their customers. "Shame on them"

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                    Reply#5 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM EST

                    Yeah, except it shouldn't have sunk. It wasn't that bad a breach of the hull. If it had been built correctly it would be afloat right now. Ships run aground and don't sink. This ship was run aground. Who built this junk?

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                    #5.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:47 PM EST

                    It's 900 feet long and the tear is at least 150 feet- that's 8% of the length. This ship hit rocks running at cruising speed and filled with water over a two hour period. The top heaviness caused it to roll without being bouyed by the water.

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                    #5.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:59 PM EST

                    Hey Moakler.... you with all of your shipbuilding wisdom have not seen the underwater side yet. Do you really believe that the hole you are looking at caused the ship to capsize? Have you ever seen a ship list AWAY from the worst hole in the hull? I see your brother GLOCKHEAD went to the same physics class that you did.

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                    #5.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:44 AM EST

                    David, you live in Tampa? So, when you see these cruise ships going under the Skyway bridge, you see how TOP heavy they are. They build them that way because the money is above the waterline. NO passengers want to stay in steerage, below the water line. I always wondered when one would have a problem like this and keel over on it's side. This is that scenario.

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                    #5.4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:04 AM EST

                    It's 900 feet long and the tear is at least 150 feet- that's 8% of the length.

                    Umm, somebody needs a remedial math class, I think. 150/900 is 1/6, or almost 17%, not 8%.

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                    #5.5 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                    Any of you read where the captian texted his brother just prior to the crash and said he would sail really close to the island they hit so he could see the Concordia sail by up close?? The captain didn't STRAY off course...he was showing off to his bro !!

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                    #5.6 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST

                    Any of you read where the captian texted his brother just prior to the crash and said he would sail really close to the island they hit so he could see the Concordia sail by up close?? The captain didn't STRAY off course...he was showing off to his bro

                    The TV news last night said that it was reported that the head waiter had asked the captain to sail close by the island where HIS family, not the captain's family, lives, and that his sister (if I recall) tweeted that the ship was gonna pass close by.

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                    #5.7 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM EST

                    As a former Navy man, I'd like to comment on the building of a safe ship. There is no such thing, if one is considering that that means it will not sink. The vessel is floating in a body of water like ur rubber ducky in the tub. YOU THINK ANYONE CAN CONTROL THAT?

                    Unfortunately lives were lost because someone miss calculated the voyage. Although the captian can't be totally excused from the responsibilities of those deaths, HE MUST BE GIVE CREDIT FOR HIS QUICK DECISION TO REPOSITION THE BOAT. More lives would have been lost had he not manuevered the ship to it's present location. Having sailed on the USS Independence Aircraft Carrier, I can attest to the amount of time it takes to turn a ship that size!

                    Let us not be too harsh about the actions of others in a disasterous situation. We don't know what our actions would be, had we found ourselves under the same circumstances.

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                    #5.8 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST
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                    Looks like she sank like a ROCK. Leave it there and let it sink some more and you've got a big tourist attraction that'll make millions taking people out for a closer look at it. Hole is too big to refloat it.

                      Reply#6 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:13 PM EST

                      I like my feet on the ground. Imagine, some of the people said they couldn't swim! Really! Why would anyone go on a cruise or on a boat knowing they can't swim? That is like "stupid". Yes, I am sorry this happened but I think the problem herein lies with a lot of people having too damned much money and they take all sorts of risks. Like I said, I like my feet on the ground. I'm poor and I guess "poor people have poor ways". But if I had the money that probably a lot of these people on the cruise have, damned if I wouldn't find another way to entertain myself.

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                      Reply#7 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:28 PM EST

                      Hey I am Sam,

                      I guess it may be safer "keeping your feet on the ground", but then, what fun would life be. Yes these people may have taken risks. but could it be that they are "rich" because of the same peculiarity of taking risks? No I don't think you would ever have that type of discretionary income because you are not the type to take a risk, hence poor you will always be.

                      I can't wait for my next cruise, they are awesome. I'll just be sure to pack my snorkel and wet suit... Who's jumping in with me...

                      'nuf Said!

                      Maxx

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                      #7.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:57 AM EST

                      Hey Sam

                      "Really! Why would anyone go on a cruise or on a boat knowing they can't swim? That is like "stupid"."

                      Or put another way...Really! Why would anyone go on an airplane knowing they can't fly? that is like "stu......nevermind......

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                      #7.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:58 AM EST
                      Comment author avatarTom Tovia Facebook

                      hey sam

                      "Why would anyone go on a boat knowing they can't swim?"

                      i'm very good swimmer but i'm not very good flyer...

                      I've done cruise last summer and next sunday i'm going to Dublin with Aer Lingus!

                      ...and i don't think i'm an adrenalin junkie. :)

                      have a nice day

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                      #7.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:07 AM EST

                      So, if you can't swim, you shouldn't take a cruise or go on a boat? Well does that also apply to airplanes too - if you can't fly, you shouldn't take a plane?

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                      #7.4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM EST

                      Most people who go on airplanes cannot fly

                        #7.5 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:21 PM EST

                        “Life is inherently risky. There is only one big risk you should avoid at all costs, and that is the risk of doing nothing.” ---Denis Waitley

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                        #7.6 - Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:27 PM EST
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                        C. Moakler; Did I say anything about how the ship was built? Oh, and by the way, builders build things per the specifications given to them by the engineers and architects that design them. I have no way of knowing for sure, but I would guess that any discrepancy in the building of the ship would have more to do with the engineers, architects and the money people behind the project then the builder.

                        Glockhead; I think that a 150 ft. tare in the side of a 900 ft. ship is more in the range of 17% of the length and nothing is said about how wide the tear is. By the looks of the huge rock that is lodged in the side of the ship, I would say it is rather wide. As to how long it would take to take on enough water to sink it, I would say again that it would depend on how many water tight compartments the engineers and architects designed into the ship and how many of them were secured by the crew at the time. Now, if you notice,the ship listed and is laying on the apposite side from the tear. If this was not caused by the ship being grounded as the Captain said he did, why would it not be sitting on the opposite side now with the tear under water rather then with the tear up out of the water.

                          Reply#8 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:33 PM EST

                          I would say that there will be some major inspections to see if it is even worth trying to re-float the ship.1) It had to have done some major structural damage and placed some major stress throughout the ship when it struck the rocks. 2) it is sitting on a very rough and rocky ledge now which also places even more serious stresses to the entire structure of the ship and you can see the twisting of the hull in the under water pictures. Add that to the damage that will be added the it as it starts to right itself as they pump it out and the possibility of it sliding down the steep shelf it is sitting on and it may not be a good risk in trying to save it even if it did cost a half billion dollars to build. At times restorations are more costly then building new.

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                          Reply#9 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM EST

                          I believe the boat should remain how it is. Don't repair it at all and just let it remain in the fleet as active. I would love to be one of the first passengers to take a cruise on a ship that is laying on it's side. It would be a completely different experience and really fun. Part boat/part sub. You could go to the underwater portion of the boat and take a whiz or a dump and no one would ever know. Instead of the pool, you have the entire ocean to swim in.

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                          Reply#10 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:14 AM EST

                          Best Idea I've heard yet. I would pay to take a dump under water. But the problem is if you go a few years after it opens. It would get pretty gross down there. So make sure your one of the firsts. BOOK NOW!

                            #10.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST
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                            I guess I'll have to re-think that cruise the wife and I were planning to Alaska. Not to minimize the seriousness of this but if the Costa Concordia sunk up there, THAT would have been a disaster of Titanic proportions.

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                            Reply#11 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:30 AM EST

                            Jack take your wife on that cruise, I am sure this will cause the captains of all cruise ships to take a second look at the safety of passengers and training of crew. so they may be a bit tight about rules from seeing this. Don't get annoyed by the boat drill and pay attention to the instructions. You will be blessed with some of the greatest views in the world, and if you go on one of the smaller ships you will have a greater experience. If I was ask which cruise to go on, Alaska would win hands down over the Italian coast. Have a great trip.

                              #11.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST
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                              Come on people, there are WAY more airplane crashes than ship sinkings and people continue to fly every day. I have been on two cruises, both with Royal Caribbean. There were no rapings, people lost at sea, rampant sickness or sinkings. Both were lovely cruises and the vacation of a lifetime. This was a tragedy caused by human foolishness. NOT common in the cruise circuit. I would feel completely safe taking another cruise with Royal Caribbean as their captains have a LOT of experience and an excellent safety record. They have a MANDATORY evactuation drill as soon as everyone is on board ship, BEFORE it sets sail. The staff is friendly, yet respectful. Staff are seen daily wiping down handrails, etc, to minimize germs. There are security measures in place for both getting on and off the ship. My sympathies to the families of these victims.

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                              Reply#12 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:42 AM EST

                              Great points blondeflygurl, and one of the more coherent posts in this thread! This tragedy was caused by human error, nothing else!

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                              #12.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM EST
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                              Hey, what about everybody's belongings down there. Money, jewelry? Does a salvage crew have rights to that? Is it possible to get any of your stuff back?

                                Reply#13 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:57 AM EST

                                Good question, coldPizza. I wonder if salvage rights have to do with a particular distance from any mainland? The real treasure will involve the salvage company's bill. Imagine how much that will cost?

                                I hope we get to see more underwater pictures, and I hope they get to offload all that fuel with no grave threat to the underwater surroundings.

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                                Reply#14 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:36 AM EST

                                If they had U.S MERCHANT MARINER"S on the Ship . I was A/B WE had lots drills on the ship . WE had a fire and lifeboat dills each week . Other traning on our ship and The OFFICES that I sail . With were wonderfull. I know for a fact If the A/B and Bosun and the mate would have made sure everone would have got off safe and the CAPTAIN would be the last one getting off. I had to study very hard to become a A/B . THE S.I.U MERCHANT MERINER SCHOOL in PINEY POINT MD IS the BEST TRANING SCHOOL THERE IS . I THINK THIS CREW SHIP SHOULD BE LOOKING AT U.S MERCHANT MARINER TO SAIL THERE SHIP FOR THEM . AT LESS THE OFFICRS AND DECK DEPT BOSUN AND A/B . SAFETY IS 1 st and the come before anything .

                                MAY GOD BLESS ALL THE U.S MERCHANT MARINE

                                  Reply#15 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 AM EST

                                  Why all the SHOUTING? We can hear you fine - even if we have a hard time understanding the extremely poor English.

                                  I haven't seen anything to indicate that the training of the crew was lacking. Remember, this is a passenger ship, not a cargo vessel or military ship. Most of the crew's job is to clean, prepare food, and serve the passengers. I doubt the crew that handles the ship itself is unqualified for the job. (Despite the apparent stupidity of the captain, which has yet to be fully determined.)

                                    #15.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST

                                    I can see they didn't teach you proper sentence structure in that school. If reading your typing is testament to how they teach, then I'm glad they weren't manning that ship. LOL

                                      #15.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST

                                      wow. I have a headache after reading that. Really...does anyone ever re-read their posts before they POST them??!! Totally off subject, but cmon people, dont make yourself looks so stupid!!

                                        #15.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM EST
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                                        I have never been on a cruise but would love to go there are risks in most types of travel flying, trains, cars trucks whatever but I would not let it shut me off from going places...We have had tragedies in plane crashes, but still according to statistics flying is safer than driving...You see articles on things happening on cruises but compared to the number of ships on the sea it is not near as much in comparison to other modes of transportation...I am planning on a cruise before I leave this earth probably after my hubby gets back from Afghanistan will be nice to cruise and relax and let him unwind...looking forward to it dont let fear rule your life it is very confining.

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                                        Reply#16 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM EST

                                        What I find as the most amazing aspect of this is that with only a few articles on the accident, and a few pictures, some people are able, with certainty, what went wrong, if the ship is floatable or not, whether it is structurally sound, who is to blame (engineers, designers, crew, captain, and even investors), how top heavy it was, and the physics of listing in the wrong direction. Not to mention the rapes, murders, and other rampant crimes aboard ship. I also found it funny about the ability to be able to swim if on a cruise ship (and the reply about not being able to fly if boarding an airplane)! So true!

                                        WHERE were these people while the ship was being built? Why did they not warn the passangers prior to embarking?

                                        These post only PROVE opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one and they stink.

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                                        Reply#17 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:19 AM EST

                                        well said Fed...

                                          #17.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:54 AM EST
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                                          With 24 cruises under my belt and two more scheduled for this year, the only thing that bothers me is the inept captain for causing this in the first place. The crew is not to be blamed for their lack of knowledge because, as everyone was trying to get off the ship, the captain was steering the vessel as close to shore as possible to allow easier evacuation of passengers. I'm sure lots of the crew were awaiting his "abandon ship" call (which they MUST wait for), which he did not make until he got the ship closer to shore. The problem with his decision is that the time spent maneuvering the ship closer to shore provided more time for the ship to take on water. Had he gave the "abandon ship" call earlier, he risked the vessel completely sinking in the deeper water. He's no hero, but he did do one thing right.

                                          Once the search and rescue (recover) mission is suspended, they'll offload the fuel (hopefully). Afterwards, depending on the ships stability, they may either start to gut the ship to make her lighter, remove the boulder lodged in her hull, patch the hole in a quick fix, pump water out of her, and then tow her back to either Civitavecchia, Livorno or Genoa and begin the process of dry docking her back to normal. It may take a year, but she will sail again. And I'll be more than happy to book that cruise too.

                                          And for those of us who have cruised before, if you think the muster drill is long now, just wait till after the dust settles from this accident. It'll take an hour at least.

                                          Imagine if this was the Oasis or the Allure? Instead of 4,000 souls you'd be looking at 8,000! Damn!

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                                          Reply#18 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:26 AM EST

                                          I don't know if I'll ever go on a cruise, but if I do, I'm packing my own life boat. Heck, you can get some that fit in a duffle-sized bag, and when you open them they automatically inflate. That, a few life preservers and pieces of warm, protective clothing, water and some MRE's and you just might be able to save yourself.

                                          Given this tragedy, this sounds like a pretty good option to me.

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                                          Reply#19 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:40 AM EST

                                          True, but keep in mind that desperate victims will try to get into your life boat and likely cause it to capsize as well.

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                                          #19.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST

                                          well I know a small 5 person life raft is about 75 lbs...US Coast guard approved. If you think a little raft that you'd use in a pool or lake will do...you might as well wear a "shark bait" shirt too. If you are that scared, just stay home. : )

                                            #19.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:26 PM EST
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                                            I’m a stunned to read how the captain ordered the vessel to continue sailing after striking the rocks and tearing a hole in the hull, thinking he can make it to the next port. This is the last thing you do as all you are doing is basically turning on the faucet and pulling the water into the ship. Any basic seaman knows this. How the hell did he become a captain of a ship!!

                                            I hope and pray they can find the remaining passengers and crew alive.

                                              Reply#21 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 AM EST

                                              I think he might have actually done a GOOD thing there, because he moved the ship closer to shore (not to try to get to port). This allowed the ship to sink in shallow water, where it rests only partly submerged. If it had gone down in deep water, it would be completely gone, and the loss of life *might* have been greater. Although, in that case, the abandon ship order would likely have been given much sooner, and the lifeboats might have actually been able to deploy, so most of the people *might* have gotten off that way. Hard to say for sure, especially since we don't know all the details yet (if we ever do).

                                                #21.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM EST
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                                                Been on 3 seven day cruises, they were all fantastic!

                                                  Reply#22 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                                                  They blew another hole in the hull of the ship to have a safer entry to search. They will never refloat this ship, they will empty the oil and salvage it

                                                    Reply#23 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM EST

                                                    They blew another hole in the hull of the ship to have a safer entry to search.

                                                    Easily reparable. Sheets of steel and a welder

                                                      #23.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST

                                                      Not that hard to repair a damaged hull, really. Better to invest a million or so repairing and restoring it, and letting it resume earning money, than investing a possibly equal amount in deconstructing it, and losing the future income.

                                                        #23.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM EST
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                                                        I'm with Sally from Chicago, every other mode of travel I've had fun on, but I'll stay off of the sea, too awesome for me. However many of my friends love it and will go on one cruise after the other. By not cruiseing doesn't mean we are in a locked box, how silly. I loved figure skating, but many of my friends wouldn't have been caught in a pair of skates falling over and over to achieve dancing on them.

                                                          Reply#24 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                                          that capitan should be hanged. to make mistake like that in 21st century you've gotta be real stupid and ignorant. that idiot should pay heavily for what he did! I bet he was drunk as hell too. what a moron. I hope he'll get what he deserves and more!!

                                                            Reply#25 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM EST

                                                            I bet he was drunk as hell too.

                                                            Based on what? Do you know this captain personally, or anything at all about him for that matter?

                                                            We don't even know for sure what happened yet, and you want to HANG someone? At least wait for some actual evidence to come out, not just a couple of news reports full of speculation and innuendo, before breaking out your trusty lynching rope.

                                                              #25.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST

                                                              based on what?????? are you kidding me? I don't want to know anything about him, and if I would meet him personally I would punch him straight in his ugly kisser. I don't need no opinions of press. I follow simple logic. he is an ass. can't control the ship, then sell ice cream on the streets. and what about him running like a rat from the ship while passengers are still o nboard??? are you going to defend him on that to?? some of you people are just sooo amazing........

                                                                #25.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST

                                                                I follow simple logic.

                                                                And exactly what "simple logic" leads you to the conclusion that he was "drunk as hell"?

                                                                  #25.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST
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                                                                  They can repair this ship. Look at what engineers and workers did back in WWII. Ships were blown to bits and they repaired them and relfoated them. It can be done. I believe that the captain was the cause of this. I don't understand how the hole is on one side and it is laying on the opposite side. Never heard and expert explain this at all.

                                                                    Reply#26 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM EST
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