I believe in local cooling.

Romania gets 15+ feet. Where we live we used to get 10 - 15 feet and now have snow that is measured in inches, not feet. Global change is here, it is a scientific reality and it is man-made. Naysayers can pooh-pooh it all they want but science has proved it is a reality so let them live in their little insulated world and some day the reality will sink in (maybe).

Hey stomper, if your a true believe stop using all oil and oil based products today.

Seems you all have issues, attempting to insult each others intelligence means your all unable to read and evaluate ANY type of information rationally without bias.

I think we should leave science to the scientists and politics to the mentally challenged like all the buttards on here who want to make this a stand for see there's no global warming. Even if you really believe man is not responsible for climate change you can't no matter how hard you try deny man is responsible for the brown clouds over our cities. Since you only care about your opinions and trying to receive validation on here for you idiotic ideology you will turn a blind eye to your own demise.

Interestingly enough, even many of the scientists are now determining that the Earth goes through cyclic climate changes, some very extreme. They are finding out that many years ago, the Earth warmed to the point the Arctic was a swamp region, and that this has happened several times during Earth's life. National Geographic recently posted such an article. Just saying.

Yep the little ice age was caused by the heavy industry and all those damn cars hundreds of years ago.. Central Antarctica has seen a huge buildup of snow in the last 50 years and the glaciers there are moving faster than any previous recorded time.. The North Pole has drifted into closer proximity to Northern Russia.. Al Gore the inventor of the Internet say global warming causes global cooling.. And last but not least volcanic activity has nothing to do with the weather as it is all George Bushes fault..

imrightnotyou "What global warming?"

Clearly someone who doesn't know the difference between climate and weather. I hope you live in a coastal city.

Global warming = no snow, no glaciers, higher oceans.

Global cooling = snow over your head, no fresh water (it's all ice), continental ice sheets a mile high.

Global warming good. Global cooling bad.

Now that we have global warming how about getting all the ice on the planet melted. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

Global warming affects weather like this too. Read a book.

The facts are indisputable that the planet Earth's fluctuating climate is as normal as the sun rising and setting. Nothing is static in nature and the Earth's climate is no exception.

In the past four hundred thousand years, hardly a blink in the Earth's four plus billion year history, our planet has been through four warming (interglacial) and cooling (glacial) periods. None of those recent historical warming periods were any more significant than the current warming trend experienced in the intervening twelve thousand years since the end of the most recent ice age.

The bottom line is that the earth will continue to warm and cool as it has for hundreds of millions of years in spite of man's activities. These facts don't deny or ignore the fact that modern man's activities may be a contributing factor to the current warming trend and that sensible future development needs to take that possibility into consideration. However, any rational argument regarding climate change must acknowledge that at some point, in the not too distant future, the earth's climate will in-fact once again begin to cool and humanity will be in no better position to to counter that cycle than the current warming trend.

The recognition of a warming climate without also recognizing the opposite and that climate change is a normal earthly process exposes a colossal level of hubris of those only advocating the former.

Oh yes, I do remember those days Imrightnotyou. My brothers and I would spend hours digging tunnels in our backyard and all mom knew was we were back there somewhere. I was born on November 16th and we all use to guess if there would be snow on my birthday and there were many times there was. You could just about count on a white Christmas, it was only a matter of how white. Then there were the times that I would go out and shovel snow only to get finished and see that there was already more than an inch where I started. I remember the time when we would be taking sleds full of snow to every corner of our yard just to find a place to put it all. Now, it's a crap shoot whether there will be any snow on the ground for Christmas and snow is measured in inches and not feet, and this is Wisconsin I'm talking about. These are facts, that I lived through. It has been proven that the size of the hole in the Ozone Layer down towards Australia, has increased in size over the past 30 years and with that comes solar radiation due to chemicals that we have used in everything from hairspray and other products with harmful substances ( I forget what the name of the garbage was but, it is no longer allowed to be used) . So, even an idiot would realize that we as humans have screwed up the planet more in the past 50 years than all the rest of history combined. Before it was a natural occurrence, now it is facilitated greatly by the stupidity and ignorance of man. Yes, there is climate change that is cyclical, but it is nothing like what we are seeing now. If you don't know and realize that, you should really go back to high school science, if you even took it. Those of you who are naysayers and go on flapping your mouth that global warming isn't a reality are just plain stupid. Sorry, but there is no other word for it. I bet you also believe that all these tax cuts and incentives that the government is giving to the 1% and corporations are going to turn the economy around. I guess some people just have to write something even though many times it goes to prove that our education system in America has failed society miserably. Plain and simple, unless you have PhD by your name and study the environment and climate change for a living, you're just spouting off at the mouth whatever you choose to believe. But, I can certainly tell you we as the people of this planet, have completely screwed up the world in more ways than just the climate. Everything man touches turns to $hit. I myself can't wait till the day our savior comes again so, I can know what paradise truly is because, it's sure not anywhere here on this screwed up rock.

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JUST LETTING SH*T HAPPEN??? Does anyone remember that? Used to be pretty much the way the world ran, til everyone thought they were an expert.Go back topyour holes, all of you. I'm sick of hearing it. GoodBYE!

Its not global warming....It GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE....winters are colder and snowier, summers are hotter, storms are more severe.........and Yes Earth has natural changes - no scientist is saying differently - what they ARE saying is we are contributing to how fast it is happening. Only an idoit would believe we can pollute to our hearts desire and it will have no affect on anything. If nothing else maybe you would like your grandchildren to breathe clean air instead of brown air - NO?

We think Saint Elias sent the snow - he did it before!

akguy, nice post. Good points.

I wish discovery channel would rerun the scientists taking core samples deep in ancient land masses and volcanic activity were they proved about every 100,000 years volcanic activity has reversed direction.Like when water goes down the toilet. The poles are getting ready to change polarity. They had proved it can and will happen .They said we are way overdue.The earth is changing.Global warming? I think not.Caused by man?I think not. When the poles flip the outer true magnetic field starts to get holes in it before it breaks down. Wich in turn creates a very unstable weather pattern. Believe it???

Two things, global is global. How much space does Eastern Europe take up on the planet? Also, 2+2 can equal 5 for large values of 2. It depends on your number system. If you are rounding, then 2.3+2.3=4.6, but rounding makes 2+2=5, right? 2+2 can also equal 0. 2 in the x direction + 2 in y direction is still 0 in z direction.

The world is bigger than any of us. Even if global warming/climate change is manmade, nothing will be done until it's already be too late. I for one hope to see the global catastrophe. It's the only way humans will ever change. That's just how humankind is.

I find it humorous how angry the Algorebot liberals get when their junk science...no I'm sorry...religion goes into question. We've already seen doctored data, questionable methods of measurements (Google temperature sensors in parking lots and check out the website "wattsupwiththat"), and other things.

Nobody is questioning climate change occurs (as it ALWAYS has). What is in question is HOW MUCH, if ANY of it, is from mankind's activities. There is ZERO proven evidence of mankind's influence on global climate patterns. NONE. Taxing Americans more and forcing Americans to live with throttled home comfort and forcing them to drive sardine cans (and taxing the miles they drive) is NOT worth UNPROVEN so-called science. Algore is on his way to being the first global warming BILLIONAIRE. You Kool Aid drinkers just keep on drinking and keep the rest of us out of your wacko suicidal backwards party.

What bible? what God?

The scientists called this years ago, that Europe could get much colder for a period of time...here is a little lesson in science...As fresh water is introduced to the arctic waters due too the melting of the ice, the gulf stream is diverted and if you know anything, you know that the reason Europe is warm despite it's location (same latitude as Canada) is because of the gulf stream and the warm water that it brings there. ( I tried to make this as simple as possible...left out the more complicated scientific terms)

Of course, this cold could just be an old fashion cold snap...they will not go away just because of warming

I prefer climate change as opposed to global warming...it explains more stuff

Don't mess with mother nature

The polar bear population has increased 5X since 1970.
Ten years ago some scientists said that in ten years the Himalayans wouls experience 500 billion tons of meltage. The results are in...are you ready? Hold on tight...they were very very close. Sinse they made this prediction the total tonage of meltage has been...drum roll...NONE.
They were only off by 500 billion. They were close though, all they got wrong was the 5, but there are eleven zeros there, so I guess we can say they were wrong about the five but right about the zeros, so they were wrong once but right eleven times.
Yes people, looks like we're headed for a period of intense normaltude.

A person's lifetime is just way too short to connect any dots to global warming or global cooling. We can say that climate is greatly influenced by many factors and thus does show patterns that can last a very long time or not. I resent being told the science is settled.

While many uneducated or ignorant folks decide what to call what or what is or isn't know this.. There is NO preparation for any of it. Nothing is being or has been done to prepare for what may become the norm or worse every year. ; ] Simply because an "issue" as it were may or may not agree with ones politics is no reason at all to remain stagnant in preparations. Energy, supply, lack thereof and outright stupidity allow bliss ignorant though it may be.

Climate has been changing sense before man as we are today walked the earth. Species have gone extinct in mass many times and from ice age to heat wave to beautiful weather it will continue to do so again, and again and again. However we do know that certain factors can and do happen worsening climate in areas where people might inhabit on a frequent or regular basis. Is America prepared to uproot many to new states if this indeed occurs soon? Remember Katrina? How well was the preparation for that uprooting? Let alone aftermath. Even small localized catastrophes are an inundation of disaster from Haiti to tsunamis nuclear fall out etc.. ; ]

What are we actually prepared for in America with an over used outdated energy grid? That know one has done anything about I might add. Even Mr. Bush tried and failed to have an over haul made to the energy grid. Does anyone else recall the month or two it took for the Midwest to get back on line when it went out in mass under Mr. Bush? Hmm ; ] Indeed.

Cheers

imrightnotyou,

No, you are not right at all. You are wrong. Nobody in the scientific community call it "global warming". They call it "Climate Change". Global warming has everything to do with climate and nothing to do with weather.

15 feet of snow in one area is "weather", NOT climate.

Get it!? Weather is not climate. If you can't understand this, then see this 6 minute instructional video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JsdSDa_bM. Climate Denial Crock of the Week - "It's cold. So there's not Climate Change"

I guess changing the term from global warming to climate change must be an inconvenient truth.

Bobby Jones Bia,

You are wrong too. It has always been called "Climate Change". Go look it up. The term of global warning was created by Mobile Advisory Committee to the Nixon Administration because Nixon said, "That term is too difficult to say on the news."

You can look that up too.

and the world was flat 300 years ago

To all you climate deniers:

It's so easy to sweep your mouse brained "talking points" aside to the educated readers. To bad you are NOT in that demographic.

Bill, yell until you are blue in the face, but they will never "get it" even as the sea rises up to their necks. The problem is they are taking us --and the world --down with their stupidity.

mnsue,

Actually, to be technically correct, it indeed is global warming, but we have changed how we refer to it to global climate change. Too many idiots assumed that if it wasn't getting hotter everywhere, it couldn't possibly be global warming. Global Climate Change maybe sounds a bit more precise and supportable by anecdotal evidence, but in reality it is a product of overall increasing temperature. There are many factors that go into local weather patterns. In any particular local climate, what is observable is a change in weather trends. It isn't really possible to use that local weather differences as an obscure piece of data that supports or conflicts with the overall global averages. You have to look at everything in total. What can be observed locally though, is higher extremes. That may mean warmer or colder, wetter or drier, etc. But what is happening in many local climates is that we are breaking these records for extremes. In many cases we are talking about recorded records dating back as far as a couple centuries. Even purely personal observations by those living in the same area for most of their lives, point to these changing trends.

I suppose that to be the most accurate, you could say that we are observing global climate change due to the effects of global warming. But it is hard to get there unless you look at all global trends together in total. Too many deniers base their case on just a select few pieces of data that appear to be outliers to the big picture. For some it is probably because they don't understand the whole case of scientific evidence, but picture it in very simplistic terms. For others it may be a refusal to accept the data because of its implications. Namely that as a human race, we might need to change some of our practices which could be disruptive and uncomfortable to many. And I suppose there may be some who actually anticipate that the changes could be a good thing for their particular piece of the planet.

For example, if you live in the Midwest in an area that has harsh winters, gaining a few degrees in average temperature may on the surface sound like a good thing. But this comes from looking at things from a very narrow point of view. In fact, that seemingly modest change can have some pretty radical side effects. For the most of the US, in just the last decade, the extremes we have experienced have had far greater impacts than the overall average change. Maybe the positive might be that your Winter fuel bill was slightly less, but the side effects which might have been more or less snow, drought, floods and other such aspects of the extremes, far outweigh the perceived advantage. One needs to keep in mind too that even the averages in one local area may seem contradictory to the overall change. Unfortunately, because of that, people have a hard time seeing it fit into the big picture and therefor discount it as being anything that could somehow support the bigger change.

February Made Me Shiver With Every Paper I delivered.

Dipsh!ts at the doorstep. I couldn't take one more step!

Hello, Morons! It is February! It gets cold... Brrrrrrrrrr... and It snow sometimes too!

Iceberg Dead Ahead!

North GA Individual,

Agreed. However, to allow them to state their blatherings without calling them out is giving them tacit approval. The good news is they are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I like the idea of global warming. It means less snow, less shoveling, less wear and tear on my vehicle. I hope the sea rises about 3 ft, and the temperature average goes up about 20 degrees. I'll have ocean front property with palm trees. That's a lot better than an ice age.

Wasn't it last year the US had record snow fall in places where they hardly see it "

Its almost like the abbreviated patterns work their way around the globe, like a virus.

Black.Knight

This is true but do you know how green house gases effect our atmosphere? Probably not judging by your irrelevance to them.

CO2 and other green house gases are named such because they trap and or reflect heat. The way out planet works is that most of the heat coming in from the sun is reflected off of or absorbed by the oceans. The heat that is reflected off goes back out into space and away from the planet.

These gases in our atmosphere keep this process from happening at the proper levels. They reflect the reflected oceanic heat back down to earth, there by trapping it here. This, in turn, causes temperatures to rise slightly, but even slightly is enough to trigger a positive feedback loop.

These loops are when events combine together to form a snowball effect which just causes the issue to become compounded over time. As more heat is trapped on a daily basis the poles start to melt. This cools down the ocean and causes changes in the weather patterns. Most of the time the changes are subtle, but sometimes they can be very noticeable.

Green house gases also trap heat during the winter leading to higher then normal temperatures. and continuing to feed the loops, albeit at a slower pace since the caps refreeze to some extent during the winter, however remember that while it is winter in one hemisphere it is summer in the other so either pole is always melting at a faster rate.

No one is saying that global warming is entirely man made, or at least not anymore. The ones that are, are indeed the idiots. However no one can truthfully say that Mankind has not exacerbated the process by at least a small amount, enough to prematurely start a new heating cycle.

Conmeguy,

Maybe but that means that people living on lower elevation islands will be flooded out and many ecosystems that are sensitive to temperature will die out because of the heat changes during the summer. Think of Texas, and many other areas around the US, last year, but an average 20 to 40 degrees hotter.

What I'm going to say here many will not believe. They will deny it. Top scientists are now beginning to recant the belief of man made global warming. What is happening is cosmic. Years ago scientists had theories which today are now becoming a fact. Our solar system which moves around in the milky way galaxy is moving into a location where there are strong forces. This is the reason why the earth and the sun are behaving oddly. The magnetic polars are moving at an alarming rate and a theory is that the polars will flip meaning north will be located in the antartic. There is also a wide opening within the magnetic field and without magnetic field protection within this void electromagnetic pulses from sun bursts can enter and ruin power grids and electronics. In fact the sun itself is behaving abnormal and the prediction is that massive electromagentic bursts from the sun are going to happen soon. The most bizarre thing is that what I just mentioned will all occur during this year of 2012.

Now that's really digging winter ....

Hey fellas...it snowed in Romania! (Gazes at the pictures) Looks neat. (Glances at the pictures again.) Hope the folks over there are able to things cleared up a little. (Ignores Global warming junk.) Wow, that's a lot of snow! Welp, see you later.

bigbenalaska:

You got that right!

Bill,

I don't think many sane people deny climate change, it's the why and how that is challenged.

As far as your global warming vs climate change argument. Nice try

"And went I went to congress in the 1970's I helped organize the first hearings on global warming"

-Al Gore in an inconvenient truth

This was one of many references to global warming.

So let me get this straight, you are saying Al Gore knew the term Global warming was a lie, yet continued to spread the lie. Based on the assumption it was too hard to say climate change?

Nice defense.

Anyway just a little advise. When your Avatar wears your bias on your sleeve, not many people are going to take you serious.

Please take your own advice:

It's so easy to sweep your mouse brained "talking points" aside to the educated readers. To bad you are NOT in that demographic.

Bill,

I have 2 questions for you if you'll indulge me. We disagree on this subject matter 100%.

My questions for you are as follows:

1. How do you personally explain the fact that the earth experiences an Ice Age say once every 300 Million years or so.

2.What are your personal beliefs on the subject. How do you personally explain climate change, since you have yet to express your individual beliefs to the group as a whole, rather you have chided those you disagree with.

Everything is mans fault or should I say George Bushes fault,,,

Man is the center of the universe and man is the cause and effect for everything in the cosmos because mans ego tells him so and all those scientists need the bankroll from the panicked public for more research.. Krakatoa put More particulates and gases into the air in one day then man did from 1850 to 1950..

We actually go through a warm then cold cycle every 20,000 years.. That's in the research book that the warming folks seem to want to ignore and no matter how hard they try to tell you it is all mans fault they can't explain away the natural cycle..

Good Job AKGuy

I've been stating the same obvious truths as you everytime someone brings up Al Gores (my neighbor) name in my presence. It takes an all time low of a politician to use the weather as a bandstand to preach frrom doesn't it. I guess he didn't notice that there is always an ice age current location being the Arctic/ Antarctic and there are always arid, hot areas exemplified by all equatorial countries. "Global climate change" is always just a slight roll of the globe away for all of us! The wobble in the Earths eliptical orbit around the sun assures us of some shocking and surprising weather changes that have nothing whatsoever to do with Mankinds puny influence on the Earth.

Just an FYI for all of you Al Gore fans. The eruption of Mt. St. Helens in 1980 cranked out more CO2 (carbon dioxide), SO2 (sulfer dioxide) and particulates into the atmosphere than all of the cars on the earth will emit in the next 100 years. These emissions also altered the local climate for the next several years. "Just Saying"

You can count on there being earthquakes, floods, droughts, volcano's erupting and meteors will hit the planet all in the next 10 years because I predict it.. Oh wait this kind of stuff happens all the time, must be because I predicted it..

Hope they are not suffering too much as that kind of weather event has to be a big pain in the a$$.. The jet stream has shifted and given us here in the Midwest an overall mild winter.. So now we know where all our snow went..

When a species is introduced to an environment not there own, where perhaps they do not belong.. They over take it. They ruin it. UNBALANCE nature. As we have seen with oh.. I don't know. Wild Hogs. Certain aquatic creatures in ponds, those rat like creatures in Louisiana that police have to shoot to keep form over running the towns etc. Look at how absolutely devastating Wild Hogs are on mans turf, farmlands crops and hunting grounds.

Yet some here want ME and others to believe man the greatest species alive, the most ground covering species and one of thee only species to be on every continent does not have ANY responsibility for the environment? Then please, I implore you to explain who's fault is it for all of the millions lost due to "Wild Pigs"? Gods? Satan's? Mystical force of servitude? Who? Hmm. ; ]

Cheers

Bill in Mill Creek, Al Gore called it ,"Global Warming" so besides giving North GA Individual a "reach around",what is your scientific opinion on the state of our planet? Can you humble your arrogance to enlighten us? C'mon,don't be a Dum Fux,"female dog"!

Hey Black.Knight.48:

This is what idiots like gopstopmper base their premises on. Real global warming is caused by the cycles of the sun but they are too stupid to read and understand how it works. Instead they want to blame conservatives, tea party members. republicans, and anyone who does not believe as they do.

When will they understand that the millions if not billions of tons of CO2 gas humans release daily is not contributing to global warming. Just kidding for those of you jumping out there. Last time i checked, the earth did not just spontaneously generate extra tons of global warming inducing gases, but the right, in the intrest of big business, refuses to believe that . On a side note, did anyone notice how white the snow is for a town of village or whatever it was. I'm in florida, so I never see any snow, but what I do see in like New York and stuff looks filthy compared to that, and probably anywhere else for that matter.

Hey Swineflu-1448972:

Bahahaha..... ohhhh the scientists say so, then it must be right. If a scientist said 2+2=5, you phukheads would believe it. Nobody knows it all Steveo, just happens that some of these people have a brain of their own and can think for themselves

You are wrong on two counts, first, no I would not agree if a scientist said 2+2=5, nor would I agree if a scientist just said global warming is real. However, when they pull together decades of research that is freely open to the public to examine, and I can see the real world effects over a period of years, then I start to believe what the scientist said. Also, you said some people have a brain of their own and can think for themselves. Well obviously you are not one of these people, seeing as though fox does all your thinking for you.

Hey, On The Virg, I'll indulge you.

1. How do you personally explain the fact that the earth experiences an Ice Age say once every 300 Million years or so.

That can be attributed to the normal cyclical changes in the earths climate that NOBODY is arguing about. I think that one sentence answers your question, but I'll go a bit more in depth. I don't know how many times this is going to be repeated, but us liberals are not arguing about any cyclical changes, but about mankinds part to play in it. The concept is really simple, and I hope you reply telling me where you disagree in what I'm about to say. When HUMANS release CO2 primarily, and other types of gases from huge industrial plants and cars and stuff, I'm sure there weren't any cars around a couple million years ago, these gases linger they don't just go away. The last time i checked, the sun heats the earth. The last time I checked the oceans absorb large amounts of heat, and regulate the temperature. When the ocean reflects the heat, and these gases absorb the heat, that makes the climate hotter. Where can you possibly disagree? Also, i don't think it is self righteous, or egotistical to think man plays a part in speeding up the gradual heating up of the earth. Did we not release all these green house gases, or did the polar bears, or any other animal do it? Like I said, please tell me where you find fault with this.

2. I believe CLIMATE CHANGE real. When you release millions, if not billions of tons of gases into the air, they don't just linger, they do something, they heat the earth, how can you deny that. Who is releasing the gases? Well the ordinary family living in their home does not release millions of pounds of CO2 a year. The big business does that. Not to incite conspiracy, but isn't the party denying climate change filled with the people who cause it.

genius12,

CO2 "these gases linger they don't just go away"

Don't forget there are many living things on earth that consume CO2.

but isn't the party denying climate change filled with the people who cause it.

No, both democrats and republicans make hansom amounts of money form businesses that produce CO2.

A more accurate statement would be there was only one party that tried to capitalize financially by climate change.

Furthermore the politicians who push for CO2 reduction are the same ones who fly in private jets, and have enormous houses and toys. It's hard to take advice from hypocrites, if they really believed the problems why do they contradict them?

The problem with this issue is it should not be a political one, however it has been turned into one by both political parties.

Scientists are not running for re election. Those who of you who say if scientists said the sun sets in the east you liberals would believe it, should look at that statement and ask yourself where you picked it up. From a politician that is getting campaign financing from Exxon maybe? Ya think??? Oh but I am the one who believes anything I am told. it's like the kid on the playground who used to say I know you are but what am I when he was intellectually backed into a corner. Just had to interject some facts into your delusion... Carry on.

Dissociate,

The changes in solar activity aren't really abnormal. This runs in very predictable cycles. Some weather changes can in fact be linked with "cosmic" activities, but what is crystal clear is that greenhouse gasses also play a big role. It is undeniable that with the burning of fossil fuels, we have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. The trends on these are far above anything we have experienced before and we can get a reasonably clear history of these gasses dating back thousands of years by analyzing air bubbles trapped in glacial ice. We can also correlate significant weather changes with previous periods of high levels of greenhouse gasses that occurred through natural processes, in much the same way.

One could make a case that during some solar cycles when the Sun goes through periods of reduced thermal output, that tweaking the greenhouse gasses might actually help things stay more consistent. The problem with that though, is that we don't have the easy ability to raise and lower these levels at will. we could very easily get into trouble where we end up with a "double negative" which could bring on rapid change far quicker than we could react.

Some solar activity does have an impact on global temperatures and the polar tilt does have an impact on climate zones, but these are just other players in the big picture. That doesn't in itself discount the effects of greenhouse gas levels. If anything we can consider greenhouse gasses as a, "local" to our planet, factor that has a significant effect. Where many now see a danger is in the fact that many billions of tons of greenhouse gasses are currently sitting "dormant" in the form of frozen methane in the ocean. If ocean temperatures rise enough and/or ocean current paths change, it is very possible that these now dormant gasses could be released en masse. That would create an avalanche effect very quickly raising the level of these gasses in the atmosphere and radically changing global climate virtually overnight.

Although some scientist are pointing to "cosmic" influences on climate, no noteworthy scientists are denying the effects of greehouse gasses. Just because other factors are identified, does not cancel out or somehow disprove the previously discovered and proven factors. Some would use these other factors as a distraction in an attempt to justify their denial. True climate scientists do not discount any of the factors.

Hey BigTex aka LittleMind,

Himalayan Peaks are all well over 20,000 ft. in elevation. Mt. Everest itself is over 29,000 ft. Besides the fact that I don't really believe the study you describe ever took place , do you really think anything is going to melt over 20,000 ft.?

Keep trying, though.

Touche' JP

You don't have to shovel rain...

Ya did good: Beat both sides, ya did.

(But I think that it's all those scientists and believers who say that the earth's climate is cyclical that are the scariest. How do they know that glaciers were once far more extensive than today. I mean how can they tell, when all that snow is now melted? I just can't believe that anyone could possibly believe them.)

Anyhow, way to get in the first licks.

How can you tell? You can't possibly be serious, GreenTimer. Glaciers leave certain types of sediment, rocks, and lakes behind. They level land. WI was once as mountainous as TN before glaciers arrived. Now it's only rolling hills and farmland. Then you can look at any US map and easily see 5 giant pieces of evidence glaciers existed where they no longer do. They're called the Great Lakes.

Go study your kid's 3rd grade geography book.

we've had a pretty mild winter here- only a few inches of snow at a time, and it melts within a week!

Had 18 inches here in West Denver last week, finally starting melt good today, temps in the 40's. Just an average old fashioned winter that took awhile to get going,.

@inmissouri,

I just moved from Missouri and the last snow there that I encountered was around 20"..

dano.. if I remember correctly that was the second time we had that much snow since I moved here in 94. I ended up wading through it both times. First from the dorms to my first class (they cancelled the rest of the classes for the day). Then last year the two blocks from home to work. :)

you mean when do the pea brains of the chicken littles grow so small from pathetic quivering fear of GLOBAL WARMING that their heads disappear. if global warming causes cold snow and ice, then it takes an absolute total paranoid dunce to believe that.

You are so wrong with your ananolgy.

Do you know that the north pole over 6000 years ago had ZERO ice. Same with the south pole.

Its cyclical weather. Everything that is happening now has happened before on this planet. However, we are judging whats going on now because we have very little records to go by that far ago and beyond. So the global warming freaks will talk congress into more grant money on our tax dollar.

Phil

The fact that the Earth's climate is cyclical does not refute the charge that man is altering the atmosphere - gosh how the right-wing is so dim-witted and paranoid!

you aren't a scientist, ricar-doh, and you got some splainin to do when Lucy gets home.

Phil, how do you know anything about "cyclical weather"? Have you actually experienced the weather cycles from centuries past?

Or are you relying on scientific evidence that scientists have presented to you?

You know, those same scientists that are presenting you with evidence of man-generated global warming today?

Phil - your post is a pure lie. There are no facts or evidence to support this. You should make "liberal" use of facts.

Here's one: Walmart is looking forward to the Northwest passage to be open 12 months a year so they can ship cheap crap from China direct to New York and save billions on shipping and distribution.

The sun has been warming and cooling the earth for 5 BILLION years. 1 hot or cold year is nothing.

The sun has been warming and cooling the earth for 5 BILLION years. 1 hot or cold year is nothing.

You're right, 1 hot or cold year is nothing. But a decade is getting there. So is an accelerating warming trend over the course of 2 centuries. So is the fact that the last decade is the hottest on record.

Maybe if every homeowner or renter in either of those cities was assessed their portion of the cost of snow removal, there might be a run on shovels down at the hardware store

They are.... it's called taxes, duh.

North GA Individual,

People have been hoodwinked into believing that the earth's weather has always been cyclical by so-called scientists who have made a living out of getting federal grant money just to push their cause. They so cock-sure of themselves, yet they've only been around for several decades. How do they know if the earth used to be colder if they were never there, and if the snow has already melted. They are making it all up.

The earth's weather has never varied a bit. We know this 'cause it were otherwise, the Bible would have said so.

Don't fall for these scientists who say that continents float around, and that the poles were once ice free. That's just those crazy "scientists" trying to scare people into believeing that the climate may change, and get them to want to move north, or south, or to Mars.

When you hear someone say that the earth's weather is cyclical, just say to them, "Prove it, buddy". That'll shut 'em up real quick, 'cause they're scared of the TRUTH.

[yeah, I know it's a repeat, but all of thread # 7 got collapsed]

What?

It's these scientists claiming that the earth's climate is cyclic that are making it all up, ... er, ...

.... oh wait, or was it those scientists claiming that there's global warming that are making it all up.

Oh, now I've forgotten which it is ... I just know that you can't trust anything scientists say unless they support what you want to believe.

yup last year 3 large storms this year only one (and prewinter at that) been back and forth like that as long as far as i can remember for at least 3 decades

BUT in a way i can see something the other way to..... in 40 years in Western Mass. nothing... this year in a 5 month period from june 1st to Oct? here we had... an earthquake, a tornadoe, a major hurricane,a huge and destructive early autumn snow storm and major flooding... In FIVE months...I agree with you but it sounds like somethings wrong somewhere.Just sayying...

Best post of them all, Jim!

To everyone else: the facts are the facts. Yes, climate change is a naturally occuring thing, it's indeed cyclic, the planet warms and cools, blah, blah. It's ALSO a FACT that HUMANS are adding an incredible amount of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere...not natural. If we are currently in a warming cycle and the ocean temperature has risen 1 degree in the last 100 years or whatever and science tells us that another 2 degree rise and we're in big trouble, then wouldnt it be prudent to address the human factor of that to possibly extend the inevitable next ice age's arrival, if possible?

Nah, what Jim said...we're too stupid a species to ever get past the whole red team blue team thing.

some don't realize that it is just a fact that the population has risen from 1.6 billion to almost 8 billion in 111 years being a factor for more consumption of non-renewable resources and waste, thus adding to the climatic changes.

There is no correlation between higher levels of CO2 and global warming. Show me the data and/or the equations.

The warming and cooling of the earth is caused by macro influences such as sun spot activity (or the absence thereof), volcanic activity, the variation in axis/earth rotation, sea temperatures influenced by the above and thermal air currents to name a few. Man does not contribute to any of these things things. Fluctuations in temperature are a normal event. Extended out over many years, this picture/model becomes apparent. We are actually in a cooling phase and have been for several years, so get ready for a propaganda based shift from "Global Warming" to "Global Cooling". Better yet, let's just call this shell game "Climate Change"

Do not buy this "Swamp Land in Florida" sales pitch folks.

"To everyone else: the facts are the facts. Yes, climate change is a naturally occuring thing, it's indeed cyclic, the planet warms and cools, blah, blah. It's ALSO a FACT that HUMANS are adding an incredible amount of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere...not natural. If we are currently in a warming cycle and the ocean temperature has risen 1 degree in the last 100 years or whatever and science tells us that another 2 degree rise and we're in big trouble, then wouldnt it be prudent to address the human factor of that to possibly extend the inevitable next ice age's arrival, if possible?"

We are actually in a cooling cycle. The Climate change Guru's will not admit it. Refer to Climate Gate 1 and Climate Gate 2 for evidence of temperature record tampering.

The title of this article should tell you something about cooling as well.

same here in idaho. exept as little as 4 years ago we had the 4 feet of snow. this winter, nothing. its snowed a couple times, but then the rain comes and melts it all away. kinda strange.

Wait until next winter, in the meantime prepare for a cool and wet summer.

is this test multiple choice or essay?

Right, and there's no such thing as an 'Obama' so your guy will win easily

And absolutely NONE of what you said proves or disproves anything. It's the amount and type of crap we output that's the problem NOT the size of the population.

Yes multiple.LOL Well this discussion is like most other ones where no one looks up the facts... They just post what they are told by Gov. and media

cgtrav

I post facts and scientist post theories... Prove me wrong if you can

Perhaps if you "facts" were pertinent to the subject I would bother.

richard-3069835

I couldn't read your whole post (boring!!) so maybe I missed this statistic somewhere in your post, so I need your help with this question.

If every motor vehicle on the planet ran for 1 hour per day for the next 100 years how much impact would that have on the atmosphere?

I would suggest you measure the cubic feet of fresh air in your garage. Then close the garage and while sitting in your car start it and let it run for 60 minutes. Then measure the polution level and judge it on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being lethal. Then multiply the polution level x the no. of vehicles x your garage cubic feet x 365 days x 20 years.

To make it more realistic feel free to cram your garage with all kinds of green plants, because we all know they will eat up most of the carbon dioxide and keep you protected.

With just a little statistics research you should be able to conduct that experiment tonight, and publish your findings on this post.

Thank you!!!!!!

oops, my formula is wrong. I put in 20 years and it should have been 100.

There is no scientific proof for Global Warming. The data has been fudged to justify the concept. Refer to Climate Gate Part 1 and Part 2.

Global warming/climate change/whatever the latest scare term is, is a taxation agenda. Refer to Obama's Cap and Trade efforts. The UN is all about a global tax. This is their proposed vehicle for implementation.

It is very pridefull to think that man can create these types of temperature shifts. There has been cyclical warming and cooling of earth throughout the ages. We are already established in a cooling cycle. This is normal, and man has nothing to do with influencing this process.

Wake-up sportsfans and follow the money.

It can't Richard, and the worst joke is, is that these fools think that this so called warming can be turned around. Never gonna happen, people will continue to overpopulate the planet, won't change their standard of living, and the cost benefit ratio makes it an impossibly costly proposition.

Wally. It has already started happening. The earth is cooling, despite your population time bomb/thermal warming fears.

Do your research. The earth is cooling.

The population in Europe is decreasing not growing. Based on your theory, this is why it is getting colder in Romania in the winter.

Richard,

I agree your post is too boring and uninformed for me to attmept anything beyond the first two sentences. But that's a lot of effort to say absolutely nothing. Sorry, better luck on future postings after you a re acquainted with the facts.

Uh Z, the Gulf Stream doesn't have much if any effect on the where the cold and snow are occuring. You might do some research before you make uninformed statements...like so many liberal loonies posting here.