It worked for the Russians for years in the 60's. Remember the "Missile Gap"? Still I wouldn't trust NK with the limited tech they have they still can light off nukes. They just have to deliver them via FedEx.

North Korea is dumb like a fox. Beware, the one you think is fake will destroy.

Shuklak - did you READ the article???? "Speed grooves"; give me a break. Camo paint colored corrugated illuminum - perhaps, and grooves might make a corvette go faster, but all they do is imbalance the aerodynamics of high speed missles and aircrafte. How many grooved stealth bombers have you seen? The North Koreans have been doing his BS for over 50 years starting with their fake cities on the DMZ to not very creative tin artillery piece fakes over-looking the Imjin. I put more faith in the analysis of ballistic engineers in the USA AND Germany than opinions of those that apparently haven't figured out what country has been delivering the most effective missile strikes in the history of weaponry; ask the Taliban who. Enough said.

The thought crossed my mind that they could be fake. But mostly because they'd have the real ones pointed at S. Korea.

@Shuklak,

I wonder how long it'll be until we collapse your comment...?

Whhoooooooosh

What the heck was that?!?

Oh... it was the sound of my post flying over JP's head.



I wonder how long it'll be until we collapse your comment...?

Satire does tend to get lost on some people. Hell, I even put "yeah, that's the ticket" like the shady guy fishing for a lie that sticks... yet people still don't get it's a joke? SMH.

Shuklack: I had the same image.

Guys, Shuklack was joking! Geez.

Shuklack, if it's any consolation, I caught it.

Sometimes I'm amazed at the shallow idiocy I see here. Shuklack's comment was pure satire and quite funny. I would only add that, like Homer Simpson's model of the nuclear plant of the future, these missiles need some cool racing stripes. Yeah, that's the ticket.

When Saddam Hussein was asked why he didn't just let the international inspectors verify that he actually didn't have the WMDs that he was purported to have, and save his regime from destruction, he replied "It was important to make the world THINK I had WMDs, because it built up my prestige and intimidated my enemies".

The thinking of oppressive dictators is interesting. They want to be feared rather than be exposed as frauds.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, if the North Koreans were to build a pyramid, they'd build it upside down. That's just how ineffectual and uneducated they are.

It is very common in the US to put fake warheads on missiles that are on public display. I looked at over 100 google images and only saw the "undulating metal" on warheads, not on the missiles themselves. We do it, not to fool anyone but to reduce the risk that would be associated with having real nuclear or conventional warheads in a public place where they would be subject to accidental or intentional damage. You can see this in many public parks.

I bet the NK Larry, Curly and Moe military complex could put on a hell of a fireworks display with exploding missiles.

Down on one corner of a tail fin fin in small print you will see the words "Manufactured by ACME"

i really don't think they would drive weapons of that kind threw the people. not live weapons, nothing that might go off. i hope they were fakes.

I hope our government is not stupid enough to believe this means they have no missiles. N Korea knows we are watching them with satellites so only a moron would parade their real missiles around so they could be followed to their hiding places if there were a war we would target all known weapons depot's and missile silo's so they would never let us see the real missiles they may be smarter than you think the more fake missiles and military instillation's they appear to have and we think might be real the better the odds of us missing the real stuff. If I were them after reading this story I would make an effort to make the fakes look real and the real look fake. The people in our government get their jobs not by what they know but who they know. Like browny they are easy to fool.

Shucklack: your comment was obviously sarcastic to anyone of discriminating stoopiduty. However, I am incensed that you did not give proper credit for "yeah, that's the ticket." It was a line originated by Jon Lovitz (sp?), the pathological liar character, from saturday night live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4

How about this., How do you look like a bumbling i inept, weak country? You "Test" rockets and purposely have them fail. You parade arounf obviously fake missiles, you purposely detonate borderline low yield bombs underground.

THEN when you have the world convinced you have no teeth, you launch a perfectly functioning Rocket and Bomb and turn Soul into glass.

Has it occurred to anyone else that Just as fakes are meant to be real, real can be made to look fake.

Chris: It's not just the undulating metal. Didn't the analysts also say the missile itself was a "mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together." And that they didn't fit their launchers.

What is fake for certain is the picture in the background of their new young idiot leader. It is missing 3-4 cheek & neck fat rolls from stuffing his fat face everyday while the entire country staves to death.

I wonder if "fearless leader" knows about this? This story would REALLY be funny if it were the NK military trying to pull one over on the new kid leader. Ya think?

It was pretty obvious, given the italics, thats the ticket, and abundant sarcasm.... must be too early for some.

Watched the Borgias this weekend too. It occurred to me that if the Vatican had even one real cannon and fired it, the opposing Army would be forced to return fire to cover a retreat. Had the opposition probed the cities defenses in advance of an attack, they would have exposed the bluff.

The real question is whether China poses a counter threat in the event of military escalation against North Korea?

Shucklack, I'm beginning to wonder about community values here. I see comments that are really hateful about mass murder and so on, but they are not collapsed. You make a joke and it gets collapsed. Fact is I have read many collapsed comments and I can't see the justification for it. So, it would seem freedom of speech is not valued here.

What gave it away to me was the screw off bottom that says "insert AA batteries here"..........and the small "made in China" sticker.

Shucklack, I (and at least 31 people before me) caught the satire and found it to be very humorous. Keep at it. Speed grooves... I almost died when I read that.

Hey, zuksam...how about throwing in a few periods or commas in your post so that we don't have to take extra time trying to figure out what the heck you are trying to say?

The fact is we too have allot more dummy missiles than real missiles, that's standard they use them as decoys and for show, any time there is a missile move three missiles move but only one is real they are also in containers that can withstand just about any abuse, personnel moving the weapons have no knowledge of whether or not its real or a dummy, and the US would never put a functionalmissile on public display, I would assume other nations follow the same procedures. you notice the US does not have missiles on parade we don't need to show them off, NK is a paranoid country, that makes them a danger to the world, but more so to themselves.

OK here I go again. It's time that Newsvine changes the rules for collapsing comments. Have a voluntary "do not collapse" option for Vine accounts. Since the moderators do not have the time to read and restore all comments not deserving of collapse let posters opt for all comments open, just like we treat the profanity filter. ( As an adult, mine is OFF )

How about this., How do you look like a bumbling i inept, weak country? You "Test" rockets and purposely have them fail. You parade arounf obviously fake missiles, you purposely detonate borderline low yield bombs underground.

THEN when you have the world convinced you have no teeth, you launch a perfectly functioning Rocket and Bomb and turn Soul into glass.

exactly. This is the stuff of the Jedi. Here is a lesson straight from the Book Of Jedi:

Two rival businessmen meet in the Warsaw train station. "Where are you going?" says the first man.
"To Minsk," says the second.
"To Minsk, eh? What a nerve you have! I know you're telling me you're going to Minsk because you want me to think that you're really going to Pinsk. But it so happens that I know you really are going to Minsk. So why are you lying to me?"

Now you know why I call myself Stoopid! Its to make you think I am trying to convince you I am a fool, so that you actually assume I am brilliant, only to trick you into reading my stupid posts, (you thinking they will be ironically intelligent). Then, when you have read the stupid post, you finally realize that you were fooled, because the post was, in fact, stupid. Ha Ha, it just happened before your eyes! Thanks for reading.

attention all newsviners: i formally announce that my above post is the best post ever!! i will be awarding myself the coveted "self award for best post" this evening at 5 pm. i will also, ironically, be awarded the "self award for second best post" for this very post you are reading now. i would like to thank you all for your support. i would like to, but can't, since you probably don't support me. jealous jerks!! *

note: this was supposed to be all caps, but the jerky computer small capped my a*s

where do we vote for yoo twopid? you should see the giant sling shot they have under the tarp it really doesnt matter HOW they get the warhead delivered

Why are the truck and the missile painted camo since they are specifically for viewing and display?

Bluelake: The problem is we have no way of registering our disapproval with a comment except by collapsing it (which is the cowardly way out instead of confronting the comment with your own rebuttal).

What we need is a "thumbs down" sort of system where we can vote something down without collapsing it (unless it's advertising; we can't collapse those quickly enough).

gtouch - and the "some assembly required" paper taped to the side.

At least those silly N. Koreans didn't use paper-mache.

What i want to know is how much duct tape and paint did they have to use to make those rockets.

I will say this once again: NEVER EVER Underestimate a potential enemy.

Regarding those making comments including (Article) Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker of Schmucker Technologie (4 employees) anyone even bother to look up what their crediability is (how many times they were right versus wrong, Education, Age (Firsthand Experience), etc.).

Personally, I will wait until someone like Jane's Defense comes out with their own information. As they do things like get caught taking pictures of things that "don't exist", like they did before taking pictures at the Red Square during the height of the "Cold War" of the USSR SS-20s that "did not exist".

We (US) used to believe that the USSR and Chinese were a bunch of primitives with backwards technology since they were casting their munitions from cast iron. Then people (scientists) from US BRL (Ballistics Research Laboratories) started their own testing with the results being that cast iron munitions created a greater burst radius of higher velocity fragmentation (greater lethality). Then munitions manufacturers and industry put in their two cents, indicating that by doing this, cast iron munitions with some "sizing" (basic machining) they could out produce the US, and because these were not made of steel required only basic explosives to cause the required results instead of using complex explosives required for US steel precision machined munitions. translation: They could make more munitions with a very high lethality, use less resources (iron, chemicals, time, manpower), and manufacturer their munitions anywhere (sales of manufacturing licenses to other nations of low tech or almost no tech). Some of the information of the Unclassifed Lesson Plan, that I wrote as a Course Writer/Instructor for US Military Ordnance Officer's Course, Conventional Munitions, US Military Officer's Speciality Indicator 75 A (changed to another number and alpha).

One of the other concepts that we criticized as "cheap", "inaccurate" before (not based on testing) was that the USSR was stamping copper into 7.62 x 39 bullets, dumping a steel slug (rod) into the stamped copper bullet then filling the bullet in from the back with lead. Later on these were captured (still Classified) and tested. The results were a greater lethality to the extent that were almost explosive. By stamping the bullet from sheets of copper instead of casting, they used less copper per round. That steel slug meant less lead used. The air cavity between the inside tip of the bullet and the steel slug acted better than a hollow point, at impact the trapped air compressed until causing the copper to burst almost like an explosive, with the momentum (kinetic energy) of the steel slug continuing almost as if shot out of another gun barrel formed by the stamped copper bullet. After bench testing, it was found that the accuracy was identical to their standard cast copper 7.62 x 39 ammunition. Previously Classified Information of the Classified Lesson Plan, that I wrote as a Course Writer/Instructor for US Military Ordnance Officer's Course, Conventional Munitions, US Military Officer's Speciality Indicator 75 A (changed to another number and alpha)

Again: NEVER EVER Underestimate a potential enemy.

Now let's talk Missiles, US Military Officer's Speciality Indicator 73 A (changed to another number and alpha), as from unguided bottle rockets all the way up to (then) current and (then) future Missiles. Terminology first: Rockets unguided, pointed based on deflection (direction) and quadrant(altitude). Missiles guided, usually using some sort of Guidance Navigation and Control (GNC). Solid Fuel: Usually a composition of solid chemicals, the shape of the solid propellant(s) is the motor. Liquid Fuel: Usually one or more liquid chemical compounds, that are combined into a "motor" and ignited. Redacted coatings, usually applied to the missile or rocket warhead to allow redacted Mach reentry into Earth's Atmosphere. Redacted cups and Redacted grooves usually used in Hypersonic Technology instead of drag producing stabilizing guidance and control fins used in Subsonic and Supersonic Technology. TEL: Transportation Erector Launcher (yes, I know the jokes). Warheads: A Payload, Satellites, Chemical Munitions, Binary Munitions, Nuclear Munitions, Biological Munitions, etc. usually based on Throw weight (capabilities of missile or rocket) maybe guided or unguided during the Terminal Phase. Kinetic Energy Warheads: Maybe guided or non guided usually uses kinetic energy and not explosives to destroy targets, as the concept of hypersonic missiles launched by magnetic rail guns. Earth Penetrator Munitions: Designed to kill the underground C4I, Military or Political Leadership outlawed and monitored by Treaties, previous designs included a combination of solid fuel (terminal phase) and liquid fuel missiles (launch phases). Nuclear and Non Nuclear EMP/EMR Warheads: Used to eliminate a Nation's Electronics (All communications, C4I, vehicle electronics, power generation, computers, electronic high tech, microprocessors, radar, aircraft electronics, etc. any electronics without extensiveEMP/EMR protection). Launch Phases: Boost, Mid Course, Terminal. For ICBMs (Orbital) are also Apogee and Perigee considerations (calculations).

Shuklack,

posting what you did more than likely set off some bells somewhere (see bold above).

As far as the Article about combining Solid Fuel and Liquid Fuel Missiles (Stages) (see bold Italic above).

Almost forgot we also used to laugh at the USSR painting coatings of rubber on their Fast Attack and Ballistic Missile Boats (Submarines). We used to joke that maybe they thought they would go faster, to cover over the USSR manufacturing imperfections, or to prevent them from slipping off the decks (instead of rubber soles on shoes or boots). Then they started to use a slightly different form of white rubber paint to paint their Aircraft (Tu-120). Later on everyone started to use the then classified term Stealth.

So I don't talk about matters that I should not, about "Undulating" (Flexible) Surfaces, look at the UCAV of the 2005 movie Stealth.

And just to not leave everyone in the dark, there are ways to redirect pressure away, as used in the Apollo Series capsules (how thick do you think the metal on those Apollo capsules were (humans are more sensitive to pressure, temperature, etc. than nuclear warheads), then start to figure out why the Gemni Series capsules used corrugated metal (also research the wings on the SR-71). Unlike manned space capsules, ICBMs and IRBM missiles only have to redirect heat, pressure, etc. for a few minutes during the launch phase and the Warheads only have to redirect the pressure, heat, etc. for a few seconds while travelling at Redacted Mach Speeds during the Terminal Phase (Usually Air Burst for maximum effects).

AG99- I see your point and will buy into your solution. Doubt, however, that anything will change.

North Korea....................just a paper tiger. Maybe we should give them a "close up" of a REAL one!

Why are the truck and the missile painted camo since they are specifically for viewing and display?

Hides the rust.

That's embarassing!

LOL JP,

I can't read past "illuminum" without a comment! Is illuminum an alloy of aluminum and illusion?

LOL

All of those weeping onlookers seem to have really rotten teeth - another sign of terrible nutrition. Like old time Stalinist Russians and Chinese, North Koreans are 99% propaganda and 1% real. In a war, they would collapse in a short time.

Sure, lets not watch them and let them develop a weapon we cant defend. Then we wont have to worry about the debt, we will just tranfer it to the NK.

Makes sense to me

Studet loan relief - really. Don't forget it was Democrats legislation that is doubling the rate. You had alot of time outs, paticipation trophies, and was always picked last for a team, didn't you.

Defense
spending and Military spending are two entirely different things, (don’t mean
to correct you) but they shouldn’t be lumped up together, we need to have a reasonable
standing army as a deterrent on US soil, but I couldn’t agree with you more! N Korea
is no direct threat to the US, Chk out S Korea GDP has a thriving economy they
are more than capable of taking care of themselves, also China that spends
billions shipping food into NK and they would tell N Korea “you’re on your own!”
These nations are not our friends!!!! They are our global finical competition
and we need to treat them as such! Do people get this: WE ARE PROTECTING AND SUBSIDIZING
OUR COMPETITION! That’s why you can’t find a job! And you are right Sir. That
money could be spent paying down our debt!

Rick - if you actually believe that what we currently have in stock could never defend our nations against the likes of North Korea, you're just as looney as the Dear Leader.

It's funny, we worry so much about little pointless North Korea, and the real threat is China.

and our American Businesses that offshored our work to China, helping boost their economy and strengthen their military might, was essential treason.

yet, we dont care about them and how big and strong they are getting.

lunacy, pure lunacy.

Dame - "WE ARE PROTECTING AND SUBSIDIZING OUR COMPETITION! That’s why you can’t find a job!"

if those jobs were still here, those people would be paying taxes, and we never would have had as huge of a debt. coupling that with raising top tier taxes back to logical levels...which they have not been since the 70's...would go a long way.

But we just cant ask the rich to pay more, and we cant ask American CEO's and Shareholders to make slightly less so americans can have actual, quality jobs.

It's not coincidence that our politicians who've helped create this horrific perfect storm that is about to blow america to pieces, are doing everything to make us think Iran, North Korea and the Middle East are the real threats...when those places, by and large have kept to themselves so long as we dont invade and occupy them.

We should be treating terrorists like common criminals, go after them individually...not wage wars with nations that have hardly anything to do with them.

It would be akin to having invaded and occupied florida because the terrorists trained to fly planes there. There is simply no logic in that, and no one wins. ever.

sigh.....BIG SIGH.....fake politicians are too similar to the guy who applies for an engineering job with nothing more than a high school diploma.....

fake politicians.....sigh!

Jessica - please explain how taxing people more will create more jobs? Please use sound economic, financial and business principles in your discussion.

Ahhh. Student loan relief - the newest talking point from the Obama administration. Do we really want to bring that up in this forum, and discuss the reasons why schools charge the fees they do?

And while some would like to turn their backs on the military that is the single most force for good on planet earth, and the global leader in keeping in check these insane rulers who would rather starve and kill their own people rather than feed and care for them, we can use that money for education and healthcare. While these are noble purposes with the betterment of mankind the intent, that is NOT the world the North Koreans live in. There are nut-jobs all over the world that want the United States to take a punishment. There are many smaller countries who need the protection of a 'big brother'. If the United States military does not contribute to the security of herself and those who can't fight for themselves, WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF MANKIND? China? The United Nations? Poland?

Of those whom much is given, much is expected.

Jessica,

if you actually believe that what we currently have in stock could never defend our nations against the likes of North Korea, you're just as looney as the Dear Leader.

Personal computers and cell phones using technology from 5 years ago are obsolete. Weaponry and its associated technology advances the same way. If we don't lead, we follow. Just because we might lay down our arms and become Switzerland - doesn't mean other countries will do the same. It also doesn't mean someone like Iran will suddenly stop calling us the "Great Satan" and embrace what the United States stands for. That is NOT the way it works.

Never forget Clinton's downsizing the US military and the results of his actions in the 1990's and early 2000's. We've been down that road already. Burying ones head in the sand only means you are going to get your head buried in the sand!

Hey WakeUpAmerica, don't you find it the least bit weird that our jobs have went to a country with communist authoritarian government? But going beyond that let me explain to you how increasing taxation to historic levels would help the economy. What happens to the business environment when you have a failing government? It creates instability. If no social services and low taxes worked countries like Mexico would be first world nations. Even within the USA the lowest taxed states are not the ones with the lowest level of unemployment or the best economies.

Phil - First of all the jobs you speak of are not "our" jobs. They are just jobs. Like it or not, we are in a global competitive environment. Jobs, production, capital and other resources have always and will always ebb and flow from one industry, region or country to another. The surge in technological advancements in just the last 10 years has accelerated that process. We may not like it and it is disruptive and painful for many. But we cannot change it. Our government is already unstable - financially. It has spent itself into a hole it may never get out of. Excessive taxes take capital OUT of the free-market economy and transfers it to the government. While not perfect, the market is much more efficient than government. Do you realize that most of the the growth economies where your claim "our" jobs have gone have much lower taxes than the U.S.?

So, I will ask the question again - please explain how increasing taxes will create more jobs.

Jessica,

“While stands the Coliseum, Rome shall stand; / When falls the Coliseum, Rome shall fall; / And when Rome falls - the World.”

North Korea is broke. However, they're still feeding a national paranoia, even if it means their people will starve. North Korea is terrified the world is going to discover their ruse and, when we do, they're afraid we're simply going to wipe them out.

The Korean War technically never ended. So, the best thing we could do with North Korea is demand their unconditional surrender. We know they do not have the means to defend themselves, let alone the means to take a meaningful offensive towards even little South Korea. It would be like Cuba attacking Florida.

The jig is up, Dear Leader. Not only is your emperor naked; we know he has no skin, no muscle, and no internal organs. It would become clearly evident from the first shot - your country doesn't have the means to do harm to anyone. Actually your first shot of that giant Roman Candle a couple of weeks ago already confirmed that.

So we, the free countries of the world, promise not to destroy you - but you're going to have to give up your toy guns. We have you surrounded -- technically, socially, financially, militarily and physically.

You have 24 hours to surrender or face the Tea Party Republicans in the fall. Then you'll be in REAL trouble.

and most of the people in North Korea go hungry and do without so this pompus little leader can have it all....

by the way you can take North Korea out of the above sentence and replace it with America and it"s still a correct sentence.

Please vote for "change" in November, our country can't with stand 4 more years of this type of goverment.

The prez and MO need to go.

WakeUpAmerica-3716462:

They may NOT BE our jobs in the strict sense of the word, they are/were the jobs that kept our economy vibrant and kept many off of GOVERNMENT subsistence.

If you don't think sending manufacturing jobs to other countries ARE NOT foreign aid you are living in a dream world. For every job that leaves our shores it costs us WAY MORE than DOUBLE! We lose the tax base of those workers AND we give from the remaining TAX BASE to provide these unemployed the above mentioned GOVERNMENT subsistence.

In addition we send a lot of OUR Natural Resources to other countries so they can ship them back to us as FINISHED Products. These resources are the "Least Cost" components of finished products because they have to have some sort of refinement to be used in manufacturing. That refinement requires human capital that is not being utilized here. And, we are using up our Natural Resources to provide jobs for these countries.

We used to have Quotas, Taxes and Import duties to level the playing field against Countries who could sell us a $25.00 pair of Jeans for $6.00 (example only). Our retail prices seemed higher than those in the 3rd world countries but our INCOME was much higher. It was an economy of scale...

Now we leave all of the MONEY ON THE TABLE to be injected into these 3rd world countries economies from taking Natural Resources to Finished Products. EVERY STEP of the way are JOBS we don't have anymore! Just try to make a list of the JOBS that participate in taking a TON of Iron Ore to a Stainless Steel spoon your kids use to eat their breakfast cereal.

We are selling OUR limited supply of OIL to Oil Companies at pennies on the gallon so they can sell them on the WORLD market for $100/per Barrel or more if they refine them so other Countries can sell it back to us as Plastic spoons and bowls! At the same time we are paying these $100/per Barrel figures for our everyday needs of Gasoline, Heating Oil and Natural Gas. We should be BUYING OUR OIL from OURSELVES at somewhere less than $30/per Barrel and not giving that excess money to Oil Companies and Speculators!

It started with NAFTA and almost immediately got worse as we did away with the tariffs (etc) and gave Trading Partner status to the Pacific Rim countries to help their economies GROW at the cost of JOBS to OUR CITIZENS!

PappaDave - Yes, I understand all that. My question, for the third time, is how will increasing taxes create more jobs?

I'm not the one in a dreamworld. You are because you are viewing the U.S. as a closed loop economy. It is not and is never going to be again. We cannot quota, duty and tax our way to prosperity. WE, as consumers, have created this. It's the Wal-Mart mentality - everybody wants cheap @!$%#. In many of the commodity products, which typically require low-skill jobs, price is all that matters and the U.S. cannot compete on price in those industries. We are strong in industries that require more education and/or specialized skills. Unfortunately, the NUMBER of people required in those industries are less than more manual, lower-skilled industries because machines and technology allow for more productivity with less people hours. So, we currently have a lot of low-skilled, uneducated workers that are displaced. That is reality. Eveyone needs to wake up to it.

This new kid is still new enough that if he really wanted to he could bring North Korea into the World community if only as an ally of China. He would be a hero to his people and I think the rest of the world would respect him for it. Not that that would ever happen of course, but I wonder if the thought ever occurs to him. After all, he was educated abroad.

Sheep do not think or analyze. They follow their herder and eat what the herder gives them. Most people are like sheep. They follow their leaders, that is, politicians and accept everything the politicians say as truth. So when the leaders take them to the slaughter house, they go quietly.

Truth of the matter is that we grew into a powerful nation when we believed in the common good and protected our economy from the wolves who used slave labor in other countries. We were betrayed by Bush with his Free Trade Agreements and so our economy went down the tubes. We can recover, close our borders again and rebuilt but our leaders belong to the people who pay their campaigns. Our politicians do not represent our interests, they represent the interests of the people who are out to wring every penny we have out of our pockets into theirs. So our leaders say that it is not possible to recover from this but they are doing what they do best, lying.

Jibaro - I think you have been hanging out with some sheep of your own. We grew into a great nation when we, as citizens, were not oppressed by excessive regulation, taxation and government interference. The decline began when FDR hi-jacked our country and become King of America. It became OK for able-bodied poeple to let someone else carry their load. The collapse began under LBJ when it was not only ok not to produce, but the government actually gave incentives for not producing. Unlike like some, I'm not sure that Obama is in that category, but he sure seems hell-bent on punishing successfull people by taking more of their money and giving it to others.

Fourth time - how does increasing taxes create more jobs?

Wakeupamerica- Its called Tariffs. Taxing foreign products in an effort to allow American competition. Its not a new idea.

Jessica

You really dont have a clue. Go ahead and sit in your bubble, it will protect you.

If that means some of corporate America has to pay out because of their foreign interests, they had it coming.

fosto: You are a prime example for the reason that we should continue "studet loans". Do yourself, and the rest of us, a favor and take the opportunity to get one. It would do you good. :)

Jpin - There are tariffs and duties already on imports. The American economy is built on consumption. Consumers (all of us) want low prices. There are some products that are simply no longer feasible to produce in the United States - for various reasons. Say you double the tariffs on an imported product - what does that accomplish? The consumer pays more AND consumes less. That hurts the consumer because they go without and/or have less available resources because they paid more. It also hurts the distributor and retailer here in the U.S. because they are selling less and/or have lower profits. That, in turn results in lower wages and/or lower employment for those companies in the U.S. But wait, it doesn't stop there - the country that produced the product that we slapped the extra tariff on retaliates by slapping tariffs on our exported goods. That, in turn, hurts U.S. companies, their employees, etc. etc.

Still waiting for someone to tell me how increasing taxes will create more jobs.

WakeUp America-

Jessica was not saying that raising taxes would create more jobs. Read the post again. She was saying that if the jobs had not been shipped overseas, leaving the would-be workers over here unemployed, there would be more people working and thus able to pay taxes. She then went on to say that the wealthier people should pay a commensurate amount on taxes instead of being able to reduce their tax burdens to the low levels that are so widely criticized. They were two seperate things, and neither one was the suggestion you keep mentioning of raising taxes to create jobs.

sandtrich - We spend untold fortunes to constantly meddle in the affairs of other nations while the fortunes could be paying down the debt, providing student loan relief, and improving the infrastructure. CUT Defense now!

STOP TROLLING sandtrich

You are getting your wish, President Obama as Commander In Chief has directed to be started in the next few months the Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military of: 80,000 US Military Personnel PLUS 27,000 US Military Personnel Returning from the Wars PLUS 10,000 US Military Personnel Returning from the Closed US Military Installations at Germany PLUS 5 More Brigades all being thrown on Unemployment with their Families. Added to that number are the xxx,xxx US Civilians to also be thrown on Unemployment that are no longer needed to provide support to the RIF'ed US Military.

PLUS the almost 1 Million Overpaid Expensive "Fair and Living Wage" US Civilians of the US Military Defense Industrial Complex as a 10% US Military Defense Budget Cut (President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta's Statements that, "A 10% US Military Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million US Civilians being Unemployed (So do NOT tell me they did not know the Consequences)).

So sure those snot nosed brats will not have to worry about Student Loans, they will have to worry about more important things like Food after their Unemployed Parents cannot provide for them anymore.

(Extreme Sarcasm) And sure the Oil Rich Nations like US Ally Saudi Arabia will forgive us our Foreign Trade Oil Debts with them, since we will NOT be selling them Made In US F-35 $237 Million each to offset the Oil Debts, since President Obama delayed the F-35 Program and killed the Alternative F-35 Engine that the Oil Rich US Ally Saudi Arabia wanted.

How about this sandtrich go sell them Made In China iPads, iPhones; Made at Toluca Mexico Fords, Chryslers, GMs, that they don't want to make up the US Trade Deficits.

I ALSO ALREADY TOLD YOU TO RESEARCH WHO'S BUDGET THE US INFRASTRUCTURE COMES UNDER, HOW ABOUT RESEARCHING US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

And Newsvine people actually voted for your uninformed post based on emotive non factual "Popularity" (opinions) and not substance (Facts). Pathetic.

David V-4856101 - Jessica-1170252 (She) then went on to say that the wealthier people should pay a commensurate amount on taxes instead of being able to reduce their tax burdens to the low levels that are so widely criticized. They were two seperate things, and neither one was the suggestion you keep mentioning of raising taxes to create jobs.

You David V-4856101 and Jessica-1170252 need to WAKE UP. You believe that the two are two separate things.

Answer this Question: When was the last time a Poor Person hired you, invested in a Business, had money to provide Business Loans, owns a successful Business, etc..

How about researching the RESULTS of: a. President FDR's "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" during the 1929-1939 Great Depression, that ONLY Prolonged the Great Depression by adding to the Great Depression's "Credit Crisis" (no one could get loans) after he chased the Rich out of the US., b. During the Global Great Depression Hitler's "The Loyal Germans must take back Germany from the Rich Jews", "Rich Jews must pay their fair share", "Rich Jews Own Everything", etc.., c. The British Labor Union Party's "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" chasing the Rich Foreign, British Business Investors and Icon British Businesses to Ireland or any other Nation to escape Britain's Tax the Rich especially to India., d. 2008 Candidate Obama's "Tax the Rich" "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" causing the Richest Person in the World to flee the US and abandon his previous US investments (Billions USDs) of CompUSA, Sears Holdings, K Mart, Circuit City, Aloha Airlines, etc. (many). And the Rich Foreign and US Investors that were copying his successes left the US also (to Mexico, China, India, Vietnam).

Those are Documented Historical RESULTS not emotive opinions.

I kept spaming the Whitehouse at since the beginning of 2011:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

with:

American companies are finding new overseas tax havens to legally protect some of their profits from the U.S. tax rate of 35 percent, among the highest in the world. Lesley Stahl reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7376848n&tag=mncol;lst;1

I mentioned also how the Local, City, State Government have added on their Taxes on the 35% to make up their Budget Shortfalls from Homeowner Property Taxes, Illegal Aliens not paying State nor Federal Income Taxes (I gave proof) with getting almost 1/4 of each State's Economy, etc..

In 2012, President Obama mentioned this 35% in his State of the Union Address; but, not about the Local, City, State Governments chasing Businesses out of their States with their Tax Increases.

Currently, I am Spaming the Whitehouse once again with this Solution that President Obama can accomplish by Executive Order (Reinstating the Glass Steagall Acts):

The Current Global Economic Crisis

http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/22/6107088-the-current-global-economic-crisis

So the Popular non factual emotive "Tax the Rich" is NOT a mutually exclusive Event from the Taxing Businesses and therefore chasing the US Businesses out of the US.

Why does raising taxes help create jobs? As far as big business, it is simple economics. Whenever corporate tax rates are high, companies will invest to further reduce their tax burden, yet when corporate tax is low, this is the time to claim a profit and pay out dividends to stock holders.

Regardless, our standard business tax rates are high compared to other nations and definitely a disincentive for foreign business to invest here. While many huge corporations are able to mitigate their tax liability with loopholes, small business do not have these same options. Additionally, small business don't have stock holders to answer to, so tend to invest and hire based on the companies needs, regardless of the present tax rate.

For this reason, a lower business tax rate without all the loopholes would be a great boon to our economy, by putting more money in the hands of small business, while allowing big business to rely less of those loopholes and still remaining profitable. Either way, we need both small and large firms for job creation(each account for about 50% of new jobs). In fact, the fastest way to pay down our nation's dept is to get everyone back to work and off the government dole.

Although I don't have anything against the wealthy, our nation (and the world) is only as strong as our middle-class.

Propaganda. Its the only thing keeping their leaders in charge.

definitely. nobody thought Kim Il Sun was capable of ruling the country. the next few years are gonna be nothing more than trying to prove he's as good as daddy was. sooo... "I know! let's whip up a few fwoats for 'hooway! we have nukes pawade!' since people only know what we wet dem, dey not know waunch was a failure, or dat weal nukes not made of paper mache! we do it inwand, de west of de world can't see, dey think it weal too! yeah, dat's de ticket!"

--meanwhile in the weapons lab: "all he keeps giving us are toasters, lawn mowers and duct tape! how the f*ck are we supposed to make nuclear missiles with that!

It looked like used tuna cans, some green spray paint, duct tape, the solid fuel is mentos and the liquid fuel is diet coke. Like there dear leader it will never get up!

@busted brain

I don't know. I'm beginning to think duct tape can do anything if you have enough.

(There is probably no clearer way to send a signal that you have disowned them other than to change your name. It is one of the best ways to make any divorce permanent, unless they want the north breathing down their necks forever. They might even think about seeking relief from the World Court, when it comes to finally ending all of this 'stalking' and threatening moves from the north.) - RC

My understanding is the launcher is Chinese.

Did that sound like a sentence when it was in your head?

Its an anagram. You just need to figure it out sadmoronsvote2

Da Vince .....

No one is doubting that. The problem is the ever so larger Country to the North of NK.

China will not get involved if the South Koreans defend themselves China has to much to lose to do that period!

You wanna bet your life on that? You do know why there is a demarcation line in the first place right? China got involved...then, and will now.

It did not seem to me like China was preparing to get involved in the last near confrontation.it seemed like China disapproved of how N. Korea was acting to me, If they provoke another conflict they might get the big surprise, and it could be all but over in a few days!

That was a different China then than the China today with investments all over the world!

Merit badges.....one started fire, one tied some great knots, another fixed some flower beds, and yet a fourth won the Pinewood Derby Missle Race....

Cub Scouts with nukes ........now that would be scary

Thats what happens when you try to convince people that bemedaled soldiers in some way denotes competence; and the North Koreans haven't cornered the market on THAT. Ever looked at OUR military??? My father was a Marine during WW2, served in the entire Pacfic Combat theater of operations, and left the military with 4 medals and decorations. During my first 7 years of military service in the Army, including 4 combat tours in Vietnam, I accumulated 8 medals and service ribbons - 5 for valor or wounds and 3 for service overseas. In the remaining 25 years of a 32 year military career, I accumulated another 38 medals, decorations and service ribbons for a total of 46. Whats wrong with the picture? Well, when I subtract all the "clerk awards" often known as "been there" medals, it brings my total down to around 37. Subtract the "went to" ribbons denoting schools like NCOPD, Overseas Service etc. the total goes down to 27. THEN, subtract the "good boy" and "did something good" medals/ribbons, you get down to the actual 9 medals awarded for valor or exceptional contributions to the military. My point is that the North Korean military isn't the only Army that makes their soldiers look like an Argentinain General, and their Christmas tree uniform often doesn't imply a warrior any more than ours does. Enough said.

JP.....Good post. Thank you to you and your father for all you have done. Your decorations are well deserved...... from the most trivial to the most honorable. You earned them.

JP - I'm not sure where you are going with your comment. Are you saying that the ribbons and medals the US armed forces receive are not legitimate? Are you saying that the service members that actually go to war and fight and get shot at do not deserve those medals? Are you saying that the NK "military" leaders donned with medal after medal having NEVER stood in the way of harm are the equivilent of our US soldiers? I know this...in the Marine Corps, medals and commendations are hard to come by. Personally, I don't find it wrong to provide a "been there done that" ribbon if a soldier has actually served. But how DARE you equate that to these NK phonies who have NEVER fought anyone or placed their lives at risk. Maybe it's different in the Army. Thank you for your service to our country, but I have to say I am a little disappointed in your point of view here. I think the REAL difference here is that those NK "military" leaders...aren't really military. Just my opinion.

Well, I served for nine years and knew a few NCO's and Officers who had chest full of medals that had nothing to do with combat. See, in the military if you go to a war area where a campaign medal is assigned all you have to do is to visit the area for a few days and you got the medal. So, I knew a lot of guys who took every opportunity to be given a chore in places where there were medals available. I only had four because I did not care about that but they were Good Conduct and so on medals.

I was thinking the same thing about those chest full of NK metals. How do you get so many simply defending your border against someone who never attack unless provoked?

What...now I get it. No wonder they are always posturing and provoking SK. Its an excuse to pass out new metals...LOL

That's pretty damn funny David.......and it's also probably what the parade flyer read. ......"Glorious Missile" lol

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Patrick, why worry about that ,Obama doesn't seem to worried about the existing 16 trillion debt we have now.

the dear leader is the both rolled into one he has more chins then china lmao

Yes indeed, they'll very stealthily send a secret agent to a hobby shop in South Korea to purchase a case of model rockets to launch the attack. Their nukes are probably several thousand tons of TNT.

RJ, I believe the last food aid from the US was in early 2009. Also, I think you need to compare the expenditures of all the presidents since 1976 to get a clearer picture of spending. There are charts online which give a lot of details. NPA

Do you also post insults about the President on articles about "American Idol?" Way to be irrelevant.

Actually we should go ahead and send some more food aid to them. We can set up a factory to can food laced with cyanide and anthrax and ship it on over by the boat load. Dont get upset and worry for the people they never get the food any way the fat leaders and his group of misfit wanna bees eat it and hide it. There problem solved. Heck maybe send them some cows that have mad cow disease!