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NOAA Okeanos Explorer Program via AP
While most of the ship's wood has long since disintegrated, the copper that sheathed the hull beneath the waterline is still intact. Leaving behind a copper shell retaining the form of a the ship which sank more than 200 years ago.
NOAA Okeanos Explorer Program via AP
A large cast-iron cannon lies next to an anchor.The wheel to the right of the anchor may be part of the gun carriage.
A newly discovered 200-year-old shipwreck was found 200 miles off the Gulf Coast in more than 4,000 feet of water by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The wooden hull of the ship has nearly disintegrated, but a greenish copper shell that once protected the ship's wood remains behind.
The photos in this blog post were shot on April 26, but made available to msnbc.com today.
Related Link: 200-year-old shipwreck found full of bottles, guns and plates
NOAA Okeanos Explorer via AP
Artifacts from the shipwreck, including ceramic plates, platters, bowls, and bottles, some with the contents still sealed inside sit 4,000 feet underwater in the Gulf of Mexico.
NOAA Okeanos Explorer via AP
An anemone lives on top of a musket that lies across a whole group of muskets at the site of well preserved 200-year-old shipwreck discovered about 200 miles off the coast of Louisiana in the Gulf of Mexico.
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And Spain will file its claim before the year has ended.
I thought that exact thing.
I don't see why they bother having admiralty law if they don't enforce it.
This is incredibly interesting, we do a lot of diving off the coast of North Carolina, there are a lot of shipwrecks here to explore. It's truly an amazing piece of history.
Looks like they maneuvered dangerously and for no reason. I bet the captain was an early relative of the Italian cruise ship captain.
My guess is it's British or American, probably having to do with the War of 1812 and possibly the Battle of New Orleans.
Although it hasn't happened yet with this shipwreck, I am amazed that Spain believes it has legal ownership and is therefore entitled to possession of any cargo (gold, silver, etc.) on their sunken ships. This cargo was usually "stolen" from the rightful owners (native people). This theft often took place after many of the native people were murdered by the Spaniards!
Could have fallen victim to a Hurricane, no Doppler radar in those days.
They will do a ballistic's test on it (the muskets), and after the DNA test will try to blow enough smoke up our arse's to make you believe they know the exact day she set sail, who was on it, and who sank it.
What's that Richie?? Sounds like you haven't heard of the all the barbarism committed by the British or even Americans. It would only be fair to say things like that if we as a country never did anything dishonest. We of course know that is not true. And I guess you never heard of the "The Black Legend." it was a political tool used by the enemies of Spain to demonize her reputation by greatly exaggerating events. I'm not saying that Spain was perfect but then again, neither are we or or the British motherland for that matter.
It would be interesting to know the nature of the NOAA exploration which lead to this discovery.
Lets think about it, my first guess would be..... "exploration"!
NOAA is an agency that enriches life through science. Their reach goes from the surface of the sun to the depths of the ocean floor as they work to keep us informed of the changing environment around us.
The stories and articles printed can not explain EVERY detail related to a story or headline.
Some people "expect" so much more in an article, without trying to find out the information themselves.
If people are that curious enough to post "who, what , where, when, and why", then maybe try and go check it out yourself.
Go to their website and find out... EXPLORE!
http://www.noaa.gov/about-noaa.html
Much, much more at the NOAA link. This was an amazing study, allowing scientists (and others) around the world to watch in real time as NOAA explored previously unknown parts of the ocean floor.
I've often wondered about that myself, Whatup. Everyone on the Vine has access to 'the Google'.
Coming back to this article, I do not see the retraction/correction including the link found in the article relating to the exact mission, and it is
200-year-old shipwreck was found 200 miles off the Gulf Coast in more than 4,000 feet of water by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Don't really matter, but as I have been sick as a dog for two weeks, I may have forgot to enter it.
Peace
well, 200 years ago, we fought the war of 1812......... But that was against the Briitish, and pretty much confined to the northeast, so probably not related...........
ever hear of "The Battle of New Orleans"???
Wasn't that when all the looting took place right after hurricane katrina?
Good one, YELDARB!
Here's a song about the Battle of New Orleans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsRK3DNoa_Q
includes dancing re-enactors and fireworks (done in 1959) from the Ed Sullivan Show.
Just clicked on the link from story:
200-year-old shipwreck was found 200 miles off the Gulf Coast in more than 4,000 feet of water by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
That explains it.
Oh, here it is...
Hope that helps put down the rebellion!!!
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avast thar matey...... Shiver me timbers... Thar be treasure in Davey Jones locker.... Arghhh!!!!
el no worko all spainio
Huh?
My Spanish is a little rusty but, I think he is saying something about if you buy him a couple of fiberglass kits and pick him and a couple of his buddies up from the Home depot parking lot, they can fix that leaking hull for minimum pesos.
Sorry lynchmob... you have the wrong people. That's not Spaniards. Spain doesn't even use pesos. They use Euro's because they live in Europe. very different from Mexico. Just because people speak Spanish doesnt mean theyre the same people, share the same culture or customs. and it certainly doesnt mean they're inferior. Otherwise what would the British think of Americans like you?
Xprtprofessor, I would hazard a guess that lynchmob was making a joke, he wasn't trying to be literal.lol
Thank you Willow. It was just a joke, a harmless funny thought. Now, I shall have to go and make a public apology to all the politically correct folks with no-skin or tolerance for anything. This whole new entitlement generation will never survive in the long run. For one calling themselves an expert professor, you would generally think they might have some ability to see the obvious. Guess not. Maybe expert Professor is just one of those things people say when they really mean the opposite. Like Lynchmob or Willow. See I by myself am really not a lynchmob nor am I thinking that Willow is actually a tree. I don't remember what that word is but a true professor should be able to tell us right away. (No, not oxymoron)
Alliteration?
Don't think so. I believe alliteration is the use of continuous consonant sounds such as :
The Jumping Jimmy jack jerked like jelly.
But thanks for playing, Vanna has some very valuable consolation prizes for you once you get off stage.
Next?
Lynch, do you really know? If so, you are the one jerking my jewels.
Leapin Lizards, Lynchmob! Letting Lions Loose Leads to Long Lessons! You are correct, as I looked and found. A poor guess off the top of my head without cheating! Thanks for the consolation prize anyhow though.
Linguistic representations of spatial abstracts, perhaps?
That was w/ cheating a bit.
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Exciting stuff! I'd love to see this in person, meh self.
During the Great Hurricane of 1780 over 50 ships sank many of them were French and British War ships.About Half of the ships from this era had copper bottoms. Including the HMS Beaver, which was the tea party ship from Boston harbor. It sank on October 13 of that year. Over 22,000 were estimated to have died, making it the deadliest hurricane.
The Great Hurricane of 1780 was an Atlantic storm. Looking at it's track it didn't appear to hit the Gof Mexico.
Make that the Gulf of Mexico
Before the storm, it was just a "gof".
After the storm, it was a full fledged "Gulf"
Cool stuff. I wonder if there are any gold or silver coins in that ship somewhere.
LOOK OUT! That Anemone's got a gun! "Put down the musket. Step away form the musket".....
When guns are outlawed, only anemones will have guns.
Guns don't kill people, anemones kill people. LOL
Well, that is one bad a** anenome.
Any enemy of my anemone is my friend.
Look out! He's wearing a hoodie!
"Leave the musket. Take the anemone."
Keep your friends' muskets close- and your anemones even closer!
The doctor gave me an anemone prior to my hemorrhoid surgery.
Genuine 200 yr old rum going cheap only a million dollars a bottle. Check E.Bay coming soon.
But seriously great find, hope they get something to tell them which ship it was but highly unlikely.
Maybe they'll find the ship's bell w/ the ships' markings on it. That I'd LOVE to see, so cool !
And off to your left... a huge pool of oil! Eureka!
Great sense of humor. Lol Thank you
Copper plating and the Roman numeral draft markings makes me think it's British.
Could be. The 200 year dating would put it right at the time of the War of 1812. Possibly connected to Battle of New Orleans. Really cool, wherever it's from.
Wow! Those 200 years old wines and whiskeys must be tasting priceless.
I can't believe it's not butter!I would love to find something so cool. The people on board who were they and what were they doing? How amazing would it be to find something like that. Regardless of the country that owned it i would think enough time has passed that they should have no real claim to it. I think finders keepers should be the motto on old ship wrecks. people spend millions of dollars to find and reclaim old shipwrecks only to be screwed over by some other nation saying it belongs to them. It doesnt belong to them, it belonged to the government of the time that sent the ship out, and after all this time the people and the philosophy, and the ideals that government represented no longer exist. You lost something in a deep ocean somewhere and never made attempts to recover it yourself so you lose it now it belongs to who found it. That is as it should be. If those countries want to buy it back then fine, for the value it has they should be able to purchase it from the salvagers that found it. Other than that they should just shut up and leave it alone. After all its not just the history of the country that sent it but the history of the world as a whole, a piece of the history of the strife and struggle, the conflict and greed and power that lead to the countries as we know them today. Its part of all of us. It should be in a museum, and its finders should be rewarded after all they spent tons of time and money to do it.
Agreed, and a Spanish Judge will always find for Spain ...
The original story from last week said it was discovered by Shell while doing deep sonar sweeps, it was reported to NOAA as an echo return of interest. NOAA had a ship close so they investigated and found the wreck with a deep unmanned submersible. I'm sure someone is searching archives now looking for possible candidates as to it's origin and other details.
I agree, it's probably English or possibly French, pretty cool photos, amazing preservation at that depth, I hope this story is continued, I'll definitely follow it.
4000 feet is deep. No wonder it wasn't discovered for so long.
It's not like the average diver with a scuba tank can just go swim-fining around at that depth.
There's no diver, 'average,' expert or otherwise, that would be able to dive that deep. You would need a submersible to go that deep.
Very cool indeed! A piece of time frozen in history.
Concerning Spain, once known as "the nation with the bloody boot print" I find it laughable they can lay claim to "Spanish" treasure, when the Spaniards raped, killed, plundered and pillaged it from the native South Americans first.
They have no more claim to it than the man in the moon. If anyone has a "right" to it, it would be the nations and people descended from the inhabitants Spain stole it from.
Jacques, there are bottles pictured in one of the photos, and a cast iron cannon in another: did the Spanish steal these from the pre-Columbian American peoples? No, that's right, the Americans were a copper age people at best, and were mainly concerned with human sacrifice, cannibalism, and slavery of other indigenous peoples when Spain found them. At what third-rate state college did you learn this PC crap anyway?
PC crap?Guy,you aren't actually saying the Spanish invasion of the Americas was beneficial to the natives are you?The Spanish deliberatly slaughtered and enslaved whole populations.They brought diseases that killed possibly millions.There was no benefit,only misery for the natives.
You seem to have a tenuous grasp on Spanish colonial history and the state of the pre-Columbian American people so I suggest you actually read a book on the subject. I know you feel that you're operating in the zone of well-established common knowledge, but what you wrote is just ignorant. If you want me to take you seriously try making a specific allegation and back it up with facts.
Hi Guy Fox1605,
Your argument boils down to this: Might Makes Right.
No one asked the Spanish to come to the "New World" - and no one asked them to take and plunder. They just did it - because they could. Open up any history book and read about what happened. I'm not your personal tutor. (And I mean about the accounts of Spanish Catholic priests documenting the murder and rape of the local inhabitants - all of course in the name of salvation and Jesus.)
Certainly not the first example of genocide by followers of JayZus. Nor the last.
Jacques, I made no such argument. Your common knowledge argument is under debate so you're going to have to be more specific. When I read your posts I am left wondering when in the history of the world did the clash of cultures come out to your satisfaction? Think too, how did Spanish colonialism turn out for the contemporary people of Latin America? Is the anti-Christian stuff really the coup-de-grace you think it is?
Glub Glub Glub, A Revisionist In A Tub...
Hope they do find out what ship she was, Spain will attempt to claim it if they don't, for sure. I suspect a pirate vessel, maybe heading for a" safe harbor" after a season of plundering. Wonder if there is a history of the ship somewhere.
It really doesnt matter who the ship belonged to. I just want the camera they used to take those incredible pictures .
I thought this was a photo of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.
That ship has made friends with its anemones
very kewl!!,, great pics, so clear,[underwater photgraphy has come a long way since Ballard and the titanic hasnt it??]..it is likely to be a French! blockade runner?, the cannon looks like a 9 pounder?,, those muskets look like "brown bess,s"?..and the spare anchor was being used to trim the ship, notice the pig iron? the spare chainplate? etc??..the bottles etc are interesting,, that would be the location of the skippers cabin for sure, the crew used wooden! plates usually,..lets see, wine. gin[bottle in upper left] and looks to be brandy in that decanter??..uh-huh.. french,, ha ha...btw, NOAA is! there to study the oil,,and how fast those enzymes etc are eating it up,,[fast BTW!!],,they do an exponential thing, eat the oil, then go dormant until the next time, very! interesting species,..love seeing this kind of thing,,more please?.. "please sir, we want some more"..
Cool!
Pirates ......
They be Pirates
Arrrgghh