Actually nothing points to Iran or Hezbollah.

Bart has an agenda.

And that agenda is to point out the obvious.

only obvious if you're an israeli or american hawk drumming up war against iran

no one yet knows who the hell the suicide bomber is; he gave his address as a gambling boat in Louisiana, he traveled with a Michigan drivers license, and the passport information is all false, this guy is no isolated suicide bomber, interpol, FBI, CIA,NSA,Mossad, all are trying to id him, this was a well planned, financed , terror act, but the Muslim group behind it, is not taking any credit, maybe it is something else.

First you say "no one yet knows who the hell the suicide bomber is" and then you say "the Muslim group behind it, is not taking any credit". which is it, genius?

echojuliet, learn to read, my last statement was, maybe it is something else, reading comprehension is important to learn.

that's pretty funny- the guy with a nonsensical post and a complete lack of punctuational abilities is criticizing MY reading comprehension.

yep, sure am; learn to read.

Bart...well stated, totally true! Every rational person in the world should march against islam and thier theology of killing and mayhem. And every muslim (all of them ) who sit quietly and do nothing are as guilty as the killers. It's time now for the world to act, and yes this time now is the same as Europe in 1937, stop islam now.

@ bart martin-3773750 -

I was reading most of the comments and what I proposed to write was so similar to this your statement I thought to post a small portion. I have known many Muslims that are peaceful but these are religious thugs that use this religion for every manner of depravity but they are a small violent group of psychopaths using religion that murder even moderate Imams. I agree with you and further they must be stopped now and in the process re-start an American economy slipping into something we can use Dickens and call our country "A Tale of Two Cities""....a tale of two Americas. A draft is needed to combat these international henchmen and the time is now not after they explode a dirty bomb or a "nuclear suit case" or even a series of attacks as these in our western countries....and if you think America is safe....dream on dreamer. More billionaires and millionaires have have been created since Bush and pals (Cheney) started this war for profit and now is the time for their sons and daughters to defend our liberties not diminish them. They can now pay for the gala and riches they so covet gained through the death and maiming of your best and bravest: okay one percent the party is over time to pay the piper and serve your country.

"Most Muslims are not pyscho killers but they must confront their demons who act in their name..Meanwhile Iran and hezbollah have to be finished off now. This is 1937 in Europe .There is still time to get rid of this nazi like regime in Iran!!"......I agree act now not later for there may not be a later...later will be to late for millions of free people to live in freedom.

Good Luck

ROFLMAO

Like THAT is gonna happen.

And we wish Iran would stop enriching nuclear fuel, funding terror organizations, and threatening to wipe countries off maps.

"These things happen from time to time" Oh really? Please enlighten us as to the last time spontaneous combustion occurred on a bus killing its occupants.

I didn't say it happened on it's own, I said that people do random attacks on people. Doesn't mean we should blame Iran... What fuel Iran wants to enrich, is up to Iran. Not everyones job to get all up in their business all time. Just let them do their gig, and the rest of us do our gig, and we'll be all good.

Many terrorist acts can be linked to Iran because Iran openly supports Hezbollah and Hamas. The Iranians are not stupid, they use surrogates to carry out their mission. The Iranians know that Israel was behind the killing of their nuclear scientists and the reason they want to develop nuclear capabilities is for weaponry to threaten and/or destroy Israel. They have said this. This killing was likely revenge. Revenge for the killing of scientists whose mission was to destroy Israel. I would call Israel's assassination of the scientists self defense.

Having said this, I will say that it is mainly Iranian leadership that is the problem, much of the population is not anti Zionist. In fact there is a rather large Jewish population in Iran, second largest in the Middle East region. And the Iranian people prior to the Ayatollahs had a long standing positive relationship with Israel.

If Hezbollah was behind this terrible act, I would hold Iran responsible, especially since Syria is likely giving none of their usual support to Hezbollah because Assad is fighting for survival.

The other issue that concerns me is the changing of Middle Eastern nations from Secular, generally dictatorships to Islamist. I truly don't know which is better. I know Secular dictatorships are better for Israel, which goes a long way to tell me what the general population thinks of Israel. Given a choice, many would eliminate Israel and that is one strong reason they vote in Islamists. Just look at Iran and Gaza as examples. Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and even Turkey are heading in that Islamist anti Israel direction. Syria....well who knows if the rebels will be successful and who knws who they really are. Al Qaida?

Hezbollah and Hamas are freedom fighters in their own countries. Iran sends Hezbollah some weapons with which to defend themselves and protect Lebanon from another Israeli invasion. The sole reason for Hezbollah's existence is to keep the Israelis out of Lebanon. Hezbollah does not go to Argentina or India or any other country to attack Israel.

Blaming Iran for every attack that occurs in the world is just a Zionist propaganda ploy.

There is a slut that often posts on these forums a lie claiming that I do not like Jews, because they killed Jesus. For the record, I have never made such a post, as I am an atheist. I don't give a damn who killed Jesus.

I can understand why the leadership of Iran may not like Israel. It is because America, at the direction of Israel and the Zionists in our government have seen fit to attack Iran's economy. Invariably, it is Jews in our government that write the bills to sanction Iran and also to send more American money to Israel. Apparently, the Israelis are unable or unwilling to support themselves, so they have become welfare recipients, who feed off of the American taxpayer.

For the record, Ralph H, you have absolutely said that the Jews Killed Jesus, and you have never even denied saying it until now. And "slut" is a term of libel, so I would watch it if I were you. In fact, I think it should be collapsed by the community, as a very personal attack.

Ralph is having a bad day Cassandra only 7 Jews died on the bus in Bulgaria. His kitty cat probably got a good sound beating because of it. Also I missed out on Ralph's spin of the "Jews killed Jesus". Damn that must have been funny as hell.

better watch out ralph- you know cassandra is in bed (probably literally) with those sue happy semites! she's gonna getcha! lol

"Sue Happy Semites"? Wow, Echo went from anti-Zionism to Jew baiting in ONE post, which may be a record. And don't bother telling me that Arabs are also Semites: In this context, you are obviously referring to Jews.

For ther record Cassandra, I have never said those words and in fact have made it clear on several occasions. You are a Zionist proagandist trying to discredit anyone who posts the truth about the terror state of Israel. One of your methods is to attempt to make a poster on the forum that writes something negative about Israel as a religious nut. The religious nuts are those that take thgeir religions to extremes, such as the Zionists, Islamic extremists and Christian Fundamentalists.

Israel loaded with weapons from the US and with nuclear weapons is the most dangerous of all countries, based on religion.

Prominent Israeli military historian, Martin van Creveld, in 2010 said that “Israel
could find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all
kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared,”
and stressed that “Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.”

“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.

He reiterated “Israel’s ability to destroy the
whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.”

cassandra: yeah, and what? i'll bait all day as long as you're biting, sucker.

I really doubt that killing a scientist for developing nuclear energy for Iran is self defense. It's more about creating fear, and keeping control.

Unless the guy was building an atomic bomb intended to kill innocent people.

Cassandra

Ralph is living proof that even intelligent people (his posts are well written and reflect brain power) can be duped by the Islamist terrorist PR machine.

EchoJuliet is just another person hiding under a bridge. Don't go under the bridge with him/her.

Ralph, are you upset that the S.S, and the Nazis did not finish the job ?

Don't you think that some 4,000 years of oppression is enough ?

I think you missed your calling, you should have been a guard at Dachau, that way you could have been killing Jews the entire war.

It's kind of like you hit the Powerball on a lottery ticket and all the rest of the numbers, but the ticket gets destroyed completely somehow.

Don't lose hope yet buddy, somebody might light off a couple of hydrogen bombs over Israel, then you can dance around in glee with your splinter of wood in your hand and splash some milk all over your ceiling. Maybe you can stick your neck out and catch a few of the drops with your mouth.

Have I ever called for violence against Israel, the nation that was complicit in 9/11?

Hey Woodshed, here is a link where you can learn all about the bankers that rule the world, are the cause of our wars and are planning the next war in Iran. It is lengthy and you may have trouble understanding it because of your limited IQ.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Bankers.htm

I would not dream of going to that site, knowing that if you contact them, they can contact you...and knowing our Ralph H, it is probably run by stark raving anti-semites.

Israel has been, and always will be, the favorite on-going target

It should.

Because isreal keeps barking and threatening to bite and bit somebody at some time for some reason. So its only natural isreal will be bitten by somebody..

the Israelis get unleashed and obliterate the cowardis mullas...

You think? In your dreams.. Isreal is due for a reality check; Somebody will beat the crap out of them someday.

Your crowd sounded just as confident in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Some things never change.

first time i've ever heard or seen an armenian defend israel...strange...

Armenians and jews have a lot in common, we both went through a genocide, we are on the same list made by good muslims, and we both enjoyed the rule of atheists in USSR. That's why we tend to get along just fine.

You're the first I've ever heard say that. My Armenian friends in LA are harshly critical of Israel and complain that Israelis think they have the monopoly on genocide.

My Armenian friends in Seattle are pretty supportive of Israel, and have no reason to fight for the status of most genocided.

None of my firends in Israeli friends ever claimed that they have monopoly on genocide, nor have I ever heard of any jew making such an idiotic claim.

the israeli lobby in the us has vehemently opposed resolutions put forth in the us recognizing the armenian genocide as such. i think we can safely say the israeli lobby is in lockstep with the israeli government. only recently has the israeli lobby said that while it won't support such a resolution, it will stop opposing it. pretty telling if you ask me. so much for you calling the claim 'idiotic'

For a while the Israeli government did not have the guts to recognize the Armenian genocide because they were hoping ot suck up to Turkey that way. Rcently they learned that Turkey will hate them no matter what they do, so they recognized it after all. The people in general were never in line wiht those political game.

As far the people in general are concerned, your claim is still idiotic.

Gee Thunder, why don't you look it up and post a link to prove what you say is true. Until I see the link, I will assume you are a liar or just another Zionist propagandist.

The Senate (Including Rand Paul) Vote to Extend $9 Billion in Loan
Guarantees for the Benefit of Israel

Martin Hill reports:

Have you heard about the the "United States-Israel Enhanced Security
Cooperation Act of 2012"? It was written by Eric Cantor, Jew Congressman from Virginia, working hard for Israel.

The House passed their version [H.R.4133] on May 9, pledging unlimited loyalty
and riches to our "special friend" Israel, with only two congressman
dissenting- Ron Paul and Democrat John Dingell of Michigan.

The U.S. Senate passed their version on Friday June 29, 2012. Known in the
Senate as S.2165, the measure guaranteed an astonishing $9 billion dollars in
loans to Israel (plus all fees and interest!) in addition to giving
"military assistance- stockpiles of defense articles" valued at $200
million for 2013 and $200 million for 2014.

Boxer praised passage of the bill, stating "I am so pleased that the
Senate moved quickly to pass this important bill, which reaffirms the important
bond between the United States and Israel and helps ensure that Israel has the
necessary tools to defend itself in this time of dynamic change in the Middle
East."

Initially seeking documentation of which way turncoat Rand Paul voted on this
treasonous bill, I tried to find the roll call votes. But as Harry Reid pointed
out during the session, "THE NEXT ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE AT NOON ON
TUESDAY, JULY 10". The Senators passed this bill anonymously, in a
so-called "voice vote"!...

After tracking down the actual video of this travesty, which was no easy task-
(they seem to make these things hard to find on purpose)- it was like watching
something straight out of the twilight zone. Two old guys in suits mumbling
under their breath in a strange monotone fashion, with the entire U.S. Senate
taking literally less than six seconds total to squander 9 BILLION DOLLARS from
the American people. A true outrage. They did not even call out each Senators
name so that their constituents can hear whether they voted yea or nay.

The bill will soon be sent to Obama for his signature. By going to http://thomas.loc.gov and typing the term United
States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 in the search box,
one can read full details on both the house and senate versions of this bill.

The Senate version summary states that

"it is U.S. policy to: (1)
reaffirm the commitment to Israel's security as a Jewish state, (2) provide
Israel with the military capabilities to defend itself and help preserve its
qualitative military edge, (3) expand military and civilian cooperation, (4)
assist in a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that
results in two states living side by side in peace and security, and (5)
encourage Israel's neighbors to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish
state.

Expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should take specified
actions to assist in Israel's defense.

Amends the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2005 to extend authority
to transfer certain obsolete or surplus Department of Defense (DOD) items to
Israel.

Amends the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to extend authority to make additions
to foreign-based defense stockpiles.

Amends the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2003 to extend
specified loan guarantee authority to Israel.

The law required that a Senate report
be done on the bill. The law required that a
Senate report be done on the bill. On June 27, two days before the voice vote,
Skull and bones member John Kerry presented the obligatory "written report No. 112-179"...

The report states "That the interest rate for loans guaranteed under
this heading may include a reasonable fee to cover the costs and fees incurred
by the borrower in connection with this program", but then goes on to
state "That funds made available for assistance to Israel under chapter
4 of part II of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be utilized
by the Government of Israel to pay such fees to the United States
Government"!

So we can charge them interest and fees on the $9 billion dollars, but then let
them use our money to pay the fees!

It appears our Congressman and women are whores for Israel. Vote the bastards out of office.

Yes, American government supports Israel, because that's what majority of Americans want, because that's what's good for USA and because that's the morally right thing to do.

Now we see one more reason to keep supporting Israel: the likes of Raplh hate it. That's the best reason of all.

Eli, you're wrong. Americans don't have a choice in the matter because our politicians pass bills in secret to fund Israel. They don't ever ask us what we want.

Echo, you are wrong on this one. Surveys have shown that most Americans DO support Israel...including one survey right here on MSNBC, which can hardly be called pro-Zionist. Not surprisingly, that's one reason why most politicians do, too.

Cassandra, if what you say is true, why did the politicians and the Zionist media hide their vote from the American public? The votes of the Senate and House or anything about the bill, have not found their way to the mainstream media.

Americans would be outraged if they knew the extent of the givaways to Israel. They would even be more outraged if they knew Israel's role in 9/11. Most Americans choose to bury their head in the sand, rather than face the reality that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by Zionists.The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is overwhelming.

When or if Americans ever find out the truth, there will be hell to pay for those connected with the attack. I hope I get to see the retribution.

Surveys are complete BS because of the built in bias in the way the questions are worded. We aren't ALL that stupid.

Yes, we know...when a survey goes against our views, we say it was worded unfairly. But these results have been consistent and the margins have been wide, in favor of Israel.

Did Martin also tell us that the Jews killed Jesus, Ralph H? Because that is your most famous saying.

Cassandra, you keep spouting that nonsense but you have no proof. Ralph's posts are all logged in his Newsvine history and what you're saying is a lie.

Echo, that Newsvine listing goes back to July 18, 2012.

he said numerous times that zionists killed kennedy but he has never claimed jews killed jesus. if you have no proof you should shut your mouth.

Echo, you have not been around here long enough to know what he said or didn't say. I most certainly have.

I've been here for years. New account so new screen name.

Interesting! I would love to know what your old screen name was.

i bet you would- it was my real name.

I wonder if that name was Ralph.

Nope.

Good to know, one of him is annoying enough.

And the telaviv cheerleaders are out too.

It's called "ballance".

yeah, the Fox News definition of balance, lol

You would prbably prefer the Al-Jazeera definition of ballance.

The al Jazeera version is as skewed as the Fox version. al Jazeera is Qatari and Saudi wahaabists.

Well, than this is the best you can ask for. Both sides get to speack here.

All it takes is the word "Israel" in the headline for the pro ahmadinejad terrorists to show up and post made up articles here

which is immediately responded by isreali idiots who relentlessly defend the oppresors...

Btw, good name selection; arabic female, armenian surname and serving the isreali dikheads. Who the fu*ck are you? Cass's daughter maybe?

Why so angry over a name?

My, you have such a limited vocabulary of English. You should calm down. One would think you had a relative on that bus. But we know that wasn't the case, was it?

My, you have such a limited vocabulary of English

screwy,

sorry I misspelled dikheads........ But, you get the idea right?

Iranian, female, B'ahai religion, my REAL name, persecuted by stone age muslims - like you.

Iranian, female, B'ahai religion, my REAL name, persecuted by stone age muslims - like you.

I was referring to your general vocabulary, dikhead. I see your reading comprehension is on a par with your English.

Abdallah, I have praised you for honestly choosing a name that shows your background and sympathy. I still think that that is honorable...although your vicious, mindless, profane attacks are not.

cassandra's use of the word 'vicious' tells me what's up. israelis and their sympathizers use certain key words, among them are 'vile' and 'vicious'. i'm a linguist and can read people by their choice of words.

You don't have to be a linguist to read people by their choice of words.

Things like "dikhead" "fu*ck" are sure indicators of a person's mindset. And why would you feel so smug about about labeling someone as an Israeli sympathizer?

There are millions of us. Just as there are sympathizers for Iran and Pakistan.

Diversity. It's what makes the world go 'round.

Echo, I use the word "vicious" because it is the most descriptive. I probably also say "vicious and violent" or "vicious and vile" because they alliterate, which makes them more memorable. YOU know...like your phrase about "sue-happy semites." Anyway, I was giving Abdallah credit where credit is due.

Putting prejudice aside, it will be very difficult to understand a man deliberately targeting innocent civilians and killing teens, kids and pregnant women on a bus. Only a savage person would condone that.

Do you recall the thousand or so innocent civilians that were killed the last time that Israel invaded Lebanon? I remember but I guess to some only Jewish lives matter.

We all remember a thousand or so human shileds behind which Hezbullah terrorists were hiding.

They all would be still alive if Hezbullah had not started that pointless war by attacking Israeli border, killing 10 soldiers, kidnappning 2, and then refusing to return those 2 peacefully as Israel gave them a chance to do before they started fighting back.

Gabe are you an expert on cancer.? Or did you go to Iran and catch a case rubbing shoulders with the ayatollahs.Israel is defending itself against the plague and cancer of Islamic terrorism and much of it sponsored by Iran.Fortunately most of the world is now developing vaccines against Iranian and Islamic terrorism. In Bulgaria,Thailand.Buenas Aires,London and many more places in the world.None of your nazi like spin make much of a dent..Farideh and others on this site have your number...you and the other nazis or Islamist terrorists who hide behind fake western names and probably live in Iran,Gaza or Pakistan!

Israel is not the cancer... Israel is the cure.

Israel is a blemish on civilization.

Juliet, you are an echo of Hitler.

And since Juliet IS a female, I wonder if she would really choose to live in a Muslim country rather than Israel, if she had to decide between them.

screminmimi: israel is an echo of hitler.

cassandra, i was circumcised, not castrated, lol.

A guy name Jiliet? In Iran that sort of thing can get you hanged.

In Israel, however, you would be perfectly safe.

the only things they'd like about me is my white skin and circumcised penis.

I never said they would like you.

However, they would not hang you for being different. They would not even hang you for hating them.

Iran, on the other hand, just might.

Islam is the cancer. It spreads, and destroys everything it touches.

You have big dreams, little man.

But let's allow Abdallah to rant and rave...showing the whole world what Israel is up against.

Israel gets what Israel has earned: the ire of the free thinking world.

And Iran is sure a great sample of the freethinking world, right?

i never mentioned iran, you did. shows that israelis have just one agenda and one thing on their minds. you guys have an iran fetish, lol.

EJ, this entire episode was about Iran, and whether or not it is behind the bus attack.

gabe0304 Israel is a cancer and unfortunately, like for any other cancer, there is no cure. Yet

Abdallah Abdallah
Lucky for the world, iranian doctors may operate on them to get rid of the cancer for good.

You better hope that never happens, because if it ever does, you will find that Iran will be completely leveled, and uninhabitable for a very long time, and Billions of people will descend upon the Muslim people with a great vengeance.

And this "redneck white guy" will gladly join in that fight.

Calling Islam a cancer is almost a complement, I prefer to think of Islam as a festering boil that desperately needs to be lanced.

and boy do they know how to cry.

Echo, the Palestinians are pretty good at public mourning themselves. It's only us Westerners who try to show restraint.

The pals SHOULD mourn. look at what has been thrust upon them! what did THEY ever do to the European jews to deserve being herded into concentration camps? what western restraint? we send OUR kids into battle at the behest of Israel at every turn. I was one of them so don't speak to me about restraint. The time for positive action to restrain Israel is upon us.

Well, let's see what the Palestinians have done. They have blown up Israeli malls, buses and restaurants...and at that, they are hardly living in concentration camps, considering the fine hotels and restaurants that THEY have. They would not have to live there anyway, if their fellow Arabs would allow them into their own territories.

You are on some serious drugs if you think they have it good. You are so far out of touch reality I don't know where to start. I have been both to Israel and into the occupied territories and there is NO question that the Pals are living in forced squalor.

1)they resort to violence because it's their only recourse since the most of the rest of the world ignores them

2)their puny attacks pale in comparison to what you've done to them en masse

3)your assertion that they should 'just go live someplace else' is telling of what you really want. it's no secret that Israel wants to make life so miserable that they just up and leave. WHY SHOULD THEY? it's THEIR home you're squatting on!

you're an arrogant bunch blind to your own evil.

They can't just up and leave, because the other Arab countries won't have them. And when you look at their pictures, they obviously are not short of food. And the rest of the world is hardly ignoring them, as this site makes very clear.

They shouldn't HAVE to leave and no other country should HAVE to take them in because it's THEIR homeland you're taking bit by bit. You're talking around the subject in blaming others for not taking them in. Why on earth should they have to leave and why should anyone else be forced to take them in? Where is your logic? Oh, I forgot- Israelis don't need logic, they have plenty of arrogance and US weapons to substitute for logic.

And the comments on a message board are no substitute for honest and sustained defense in the UN or international courts- which the US and Israel refuse to participate in unless there's a 95 year old Nazi to prosecute.

Logically, Echo, if the Arabs have such care and concern about the poor, poor Palestinians, they should allow them into their own countries. And as for the UN...they have become so anti-American AND Israeli, that many posters have expressed the wish to turn their building into condos. Making Khadaffi head of the Human Rights Commission might have had something to do with that.

AGAIN- WHY should ANYONE else be expected to take them in? You still haven't demonstrated any logic in your thinking because you're so blind to the bias inherent in the statements you make. If you can't tell me why another country should be forced to take them in- besides the obvious benefit to Israel in getting all that land- then stop saying it.

Admit that you just want the land, already. Jeez, is it so hard to just come out and say it?

Echo, I never said that the Arab countries should be forced to take in the Palestinians...rather that those other Arabs should be glad to do it.

Read your own posts sweetheart. You wish the other Arabs would take them in so your greedy @sses can have all that real estate. You spell it out without saying it. Now, excuse me as i head out to spend my Saturday doing something more constructive than destroying the blind bias of a Zionist sympathizer on a pointless thread on a second rate Zionist owned news outlet's message board. Next time I hope the bomber uses a more powerful bomb and takes more adult land usurpers to their well deserved graves, because the children are innocent- children are always innocent and always the victims of adult atrocity.

We wish the Arabs would take the Palestinians to end the conflict, obviously.

that shows your arrogance in that you think everyone else must take action to appease you. you think you have no part in this- that is sociopathic behavior.

Hoping for peace is sociopathic? Because that is the reason I would love to see the other Arab countries accepting the Palestinians as immigrants. Failing that, of course, I hope for a two-state solution.

If all the effort and resources that go into terrorism went into terrorism went into improving life for palestinians Gaza and West Bank would both be paradise by now.

Unfortunately, the leaders of Hamas and Fatah like things exactly as they are right now: their people suffer, they live in luxury and they don't have to work to improve the lives of their people, instead they can just balme everything on Israel.

As for Arab states taking in palestinians, there is already plenty of palestinians living in those states. They are treated as second class and forced to live in camps.

That's an odd way for Arab states to express concern for fellow Arabs.

again, i question why they should even need to go live someplace else? the land should be theirs to create their own state. it is maddening that israelis are so blind to their own bias in that the only solution to them is the arabs going someplace else.

No, that's not the only solution, the two-state solution is also sufficient.

Also, The palestinians who are currently in Israel don't have to go somewhere else, but those wpaelstinians who are already somewhere else should be able to have a descent life where they are.

Are you opposed to that?

When and where did they publicly admit to the assassination of the scientists?

And if there IS more sympathy for the innocent tourists, including teenagers, than there was for the scientists engaged in weapons development...well, that isn't hard to understand.

Screm

I mean, public admission is not the only means by which someone is deemed guilty, right? Otherwise, there'd be no need for a court.

Literally every analyst I've read comments from agrees it was Israel. And, Iran has arrested, tried, convicted and punished an Israeli agent for the crime http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/iran-hangs-israeli-spy-for-nuclear-scientist-assassination-reports/.

Better still, Iran has actually explicitly denied having any involvement in the Bulgarian attack. Israel merely remained silent as to whether it was responsible or not for the assassination of the Iranian scientists.

Hmmmmm... So, your'e willing to blatantly disbelieve Iran when they explicitly deny Bulgaria and there are many, many other potential perps for the attack. And you're also willing to give Israel the benefit of the doubt when they won't even deny, they're the obvious suspect and one of their spies is caught, tried and convicted of the crime. Well, at least you're not biased.

How can we have a reasoned debate on the issue if we don't acknowledge the facts? Just deifying Israel and demonizing Iran at every turn doesn't do much good if the real goal is to actually come to a logical position on the matter that benefits the US's foreign interests.

......

Cassandra

Interesting that you draw a moral distinction between "innocent tourists" (who knows what they did in real life--we do know for a fact every male of age was at some point Israeli military) and scientists engaged in research.

I mean, just look at US history. Who's been put on a pedestal? Who do your kids learn about in the classroom? Let's see. Einstein. Oppenheimer. Curie. von Braun. Etc. Guess what they all have in common? Do you think there would have been a reaction if they'd been summarily assassinated by an Israeli agent?

Except that particular scientist was not using his work to benefit mankind, like the sicentists you've listed, he was using it for destruction, and excuse Israelis for not wanting to be destroyed.

Eli -- Are you familiar with the scientists I listed? Curie. Discovers and begins exploitation of radioactivity. Einstein. Creates theories leading to development of nuclear bomb. Oppenheimer. Oversees exploitation of said theories at Los Alamos to create nuclear bomb. von Braun. Rocket scientist who lead the way for advancements in rocket technology allowing ICBMs, cruise missiles, etc.

I mean, according to the view Cassandra proffered, our entire space program is/was somehow a justifiable target for terrorism/assassination....since it was used by us to justify the perfection of rocket technology allowing the delivery of nuclear weapons by ICBM. For example, you know how we just made a stink about North Korea shooting off rockets...they were ostensibly for space exploration/satellite delivery, but we all know damn well that, once the technology has been developed, the conversion to military use is the ultimate goal.

I mean, look at our space program. Once it achieved its implicit objective (developing ICBM technology), we defunded it and relegated it to running shuttle missions...now we've basically even given up on those.

My point is not that scientific advancement (even with the unstated purpose of military application) is evil, just that Cassandra's justification for Israel making scientists a target because plausible uses of their research has potential military applications (remember, these Iranian scientists were ostensibly developing nuclear tech for power plants) is one that leads to undesirable results and is in direct conflict with our previous stance on the matter.

Not a valid distinction in my book. If it is, then the afore mentioned scientists were justifiably subject to assassination by other countries at will and without repercussion. It's hypocritical to deify Einstein and Oppenheimer and then use research as a justification to kill Iranian scientists.

Yes, science can be used for variatey of purposes, but in this particualr case the purpose was clearly stated.

That particular scientist was making bombs for Iran, whose government stated loud and clear that they don't want Israel to exist. When someone states that you shouldnot exist and then tries to get themselves a weapon that cam end your existence, it's only natural that you would want to take that weapon away form them. It's matter of survival.

Einstein did not work on the atom bomb, he merely wrote to FDR saying that it could end the war. And Oppenheimer was hardly deified: America thanked him for his services by investigating him for Communist ties.

Eli. You're missing my point.

I agree that various enclaves of humanity often prevent their enemies and competitors (real or perceived) from developing the means by which to equal or surpass them (query whether this is objectively good for the species in the long run).

I also agree this action is often justified by the enclave within the particular enclave (e.g., Oppenheimer is a hero in the US held on a pedestal for our children, but I doubt this is the case in Hiroshima and Nagasaki). These acts are not objectively "good or bad"; rather, their interpretation is subject to nation-state-specific propaganda.

My initial point was that our media (a disinterested third party) is being biased and buying into the hypocritical pro-Israel, anti-Iran propagandizing that's been so prevalent as of late. Namely, Israel just got done assassinating a bunch of Iranian scientists who (because we won't share nuclear technology with the world) were working on redoing what the aforementioned deified scientists did. They were ostensibly doing this for civilian purposes.

So, the point...the distinction in our reporting of the assassination of the Iranian scientists (which were very clearly killed by Israel and which we did not raise any moral objections to but rather encouraged) vs. both our reporting of the Bulgarian killing (Iran has denied they did it, but we're outraged at Iran) and vs. our reporting of our own scientists doing the same thing (i.e., the aforementioned nuclear/rocket scientists are heroes and the Iranian scientists doing the exact same work are villains) shows the implicit bias of our media and culture toward Israel and against Iran...for no obvious or stated reason...just unabashed pro-Israel propaganda being spoon fed to the masses via slanted reporting.

That said, my response to Cassandra was intended to highlight this by noting that our news media (and her) draw an implicit distinction between the identical acts of our scientists (deify them) and the Iranian scientists (vilify them and subject them to wanton assassination). And that she was buying into this by using the acts of the Iranian scientists as a justification for their assassination.

My preference is that no scientists be subject to wanton assassination merely because of their research. My preference is also that we acknowledge the golden rule previous generations acknowledged...namely that, if we justify the assassination of a certain class of foreign citizens (e.g., foreign political leaders, foreign scientists, foreign military leaders), then ours are also subject to assassination on the same grounds. This is why, for a long time until the war hawks came to power, we did not assassinate...or at least we did it very quietly. This new wave of very open an obvious assassinations being cheered by the public is disturbing to me because it redefines the rules and will inevitably lead to our own people being assassinated.

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Cassandra

Yes, I know. The point is that he, his theory and his research (along with the others) were pivotal to its creation of nuclear weapons (i.e., the creation of the most dangerous weapon known to man).

The conclusion is that, if you think the research of the Iranian scientists (who Iran stated were working on preliminary concepts for civilian nuclear power) justifies their assassination, then Einstein, the others I mentioned and literally any American scientists working on anything with plausible military applications (e.g., nanotech, avionics, virology, computer science, robotics, etc.) is justifiably subject to assassination at any time.

I know you don't agree with this concept; so, I was trying to point out the ethnocentrism and hypocrisy of your statement by pointing out that we, in fact, deify our nuclear and rocket scientists who very clearly wor either working on direct precursors to nuclear weapons (Curie/Einstein) of were actually working on nuclear weapons and delivery devices (Oppenheimer/von Braun) and would have been morally appalled if someone had tried to assassinate them for the same reason you cite as a justification for the killing of the Iranians.

Well, I do know that the "Manhattan Project," which actually took place in New Mexico, was conducted in top secret...possibly to stop enemy agents from finding the place and blowing it up...which might have seemed to our government to be a very real possibility.

I see Undertaker,

You are just backing the claim that Iran's nuclear research is for civilian purposes only, and pretend like somebody out there believes it. Very nice.

Cassandra. Do you think it would have been justified if the Russians/Japanese/Mexicans/whomever had come over and assassinated everyone at Los Alamos? Just would like a definitive stance on the issue out of curiosity. If you agree that our scientists whose research could be used for weapons are subject to assassination, I guess, at least, I can't say you're being logically inconsistent.

Eli100. You are aware that Israel currently has an untold number of nuclear weapons, does not deny they have them and has refused to be subject to IAEA inspections? Where are the sanctions? Where is the outcry in our media? Does their possession of these weapons mean they are justifiably subject to assassination/terrorist attack?

Just noting. It's a bit of a ridiculous proposition to constantly vilify Iran (who is a party to Nuclear Nonproliferation, does subject itself to some inspection and denies weaponization) and to deify Israel.

I didn't know ICTS is based in the Netherlands, but I do know it is owned by Israelis. I also know the man in charge of the NORAD operation that was supposed to protect the east coast on 9/11 is Jewish and his name is Schwartz. Was he a Sayanin?

We do know NORAD just happened to have training exercises that day and were so confused, they were not able to respond to 2 missing planes for over 2 hours after the 2 towers were hit. (The Pentagon was allegedly hit over 2 hours after the towers). No one received so much as a slap on the wrist, any other type reprimand or any real investigation. Can you say "inside job"?

Here - Read about the Israeli who worked for Urban Moving Systems, mentioned by Joe. Why would the owner flee to Israel the day after the attacks and leave his business? Why did the US hold the 5 Israelis for 72 days? Why does a moving company hire skinny Israelis, 2 affiliated with the Mossad and trained in demolitions to move things?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Here is a beauty of a story.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound

The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly
found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the
FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a “grid
search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the
9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by a
passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly
before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] According to FBI
agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective
who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the
buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the
passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,”
Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that
this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as
one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist Nick
Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they
believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin
Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by
somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian
will comment, “The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that
inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s
crackdown on terrorism.” (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport
will frequently be mistakenly referred to as belonging to Atta, not Al Suqami.)

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So, as usual, your "proof" consists of a bunch of groundless assumtions. No surprises.

Groundless assumptions? I cite proof and circumstances that cannot be explained away as coincidences. When as many crazy things occur all in the same day, without a logical explanation, something is wrong.

Passports do not magically fall out of an airplane as the plane crashes though a building in a huge explosion, fall to the ground and are discovered by a stranger and handed to a policeman to be held as evidence on their own. Note: Magic passports also appeared in the Pennsylvania field, where one of the planes allegedly crashed. It cannot happen. There are far too many incredible coincidences. I only scratched the surface with my short list.

NORAD cannot possibly be so f- ing incompetent, that they cannot respond to 2 hijacked planes in a space of 2 hours. Then to top it off, no questions asked.

Three buildings do not fall into their own footprints on the same day, especially when one of them was not even hit by a plane and no record exists of another hi rise building falling because of fires in all of history.

What are the odds of 5 Israelis who work for a moving company, dancing around and taking pictures of each other flicking their lighters with the WTCs falling in the background? Then the owner mysteriously flees to Israel the next day. Note: the dopes didn't realize they were being observed by nearby residents who thought they were Arabs. Their vans had residue from explosives, which were detected by dogs.

There is nothing magic about things falling out of a crashed plane.

Both buildings were very much hit by planes, videos are all over the net. It's been also explained a hundred times that buildings do very much collapce after they are hit by planes.

Even the greatest incompetence of all is very possible. That one has no limits.

Even if those dancing Israelis existed (and that's a very big IF), there are countless reasons why a bunch of workers could be duncing around taking pictures and flicking lighters, the most natural being they had a couple beers too many.

There is especially nothing misterious about a jewish guy moving to Israel when there is trouble in the country. The explanation to that particular mistery would be you and others like you. You are not the first or the last to blame anything that goes wrong on the jews. So, some of us see it coming, take it seriously and take precautions. I guess this one, took extra precautions.

If they were taking pictures, it was probably to show what the extremist Muslim terrorists had done...without even imagining that someone might someday suspect the Israelis themselves.

Yeah, right, Echo...except for those sue-happy semites. Anyway, between a third and a half of all Jews live in Israel, so if you want to kill all the Zionist Israelis, you will be murdering Jews. And when you say that you are all for killing Zionist Israelis...that is shocking even to me, and I should be used to these vile and vicious ravings by now.

not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. i know where to draw the line. sadly, you do not.

And of course, the Jews include those "sue-happy semites" whom Echo talked about. She also fails to notice that between 1/3 and 1/2 of all the Jews in the world live in Israel, so she would be wiping them out. And when she says that she is all for killing Zionist Israelis...that is really shocking, even to me.

Nothing is shocking to you- you just say that for effect. You and those you support perpetrate ethnic cleansing daily in the occupied territories and cry like YOU'RE the victim. shame on you and shame on the murderous regime in Israel. This might surprise you, but I support the existence of Israel because many have been born there on the land. They didn't choose to be born there but it's their home. That said, they have a responsibility to recognize the atrocities those before them have exacted against a native Arab populace that did NOTHING to deserve what they're getting.

You would probably see attampts to slaughter and banish all the jews in the area as nothing, but for the jews it kind of sucked.

Give me the old Juliet whatever her name was.This Juliet seems like a bad echo of some nazi guard who was hung at Nuremburg.Echo there never was a Palestine,,unlike Israel which is older and has more roots inthe mideast than all the new Muslim countries who conquered the area by the sword.They are the occupiers,They should all go back to Mecca and Medina where Mohammed started,The Arabs blew it in 1948 when they rejected their own state through partition.,And Arabs are not the natives in the area.They are new occupiers who killed everyone who didn`t convert to Mohammed `s ideology.Echo ,your analysis of history is invented and fractured. Go back to propaganda 1 of the nazi BIG LIE school for further training!

but eli, what did the pals ever do to you? if i remember correctly it was the germans who tried to snuff you out, not the pals. i have no problem with the death of every adult zionist not born in israel who moved there and displaced or killed arabs. if it means reducing the population of israel to only natural born israelis so be it. they and the indigenous population of jews who descended from the hebrews are the only ones with a legitimate claim there. i am clear on how that sounds but you clearly have no idea because of your inherent bias how unjust the continued emigration into israel is or how evil their ethnic cleansing of the pals is.

bart, yours is a revisionist version debunked by history itself. i deal in true history, not some fictionalized holy book version of history or one invented by invaders to justify their barbarity.

If you dealt in real history, you would know that originally, zionists were not displacing or killing anybody.

They were buying the land, fare and square. There was enough room for everyone, and jews and arabs could live in peace side by side.

Palestinians started attacking their settlments, some because they thought they found easy targets for robbery and extortion, some beacuse they did not like non-muslims living next door, and none cared that jews are coming there not just for fun but to escape from Europe where they are being exterminated, nor did they cre that jews are not alien to that land, but their ancestry can be traced to Hebrwes bunished form there by Romans of Vizantians.

Indeed, it was germans who tried to wipe us out, palestinians did not participate, but they did cooperted and they did try to colse the doors on those who were running for their lives.

When he jews refused to run back into the hands of the nazis and stayed without permision, palestinians turned that situation into another pointless war.

For jews the choices were to fight for survival in their historycal homeland, or to fight for survival somewhere else.

Excuse some of them for choosing the historycal homeland.

It did not come to displacement of palestinians, until 1948, when Arab states got involved and turned it into a full out war. Even then, most (not all but most) of the arab refugees left willingly, because they planned on coming back when all the jews are wiped out.

Why do you think there are so many arabs living in Israel? Those who did not join into the war stayed, jews did not harm them, their decendents are now Israeli Arabs, who enjoy full right of Israeli citizenship. Their anbcestors made the wise choice.

Those who made a foolish choice, doomed their decendants to live as refugees in Arab states.

I do feel sorry for the palestinians, but their situation does not give them an excuse to do things like the one described in that article. Most of the balme for that situation still goes to palestinians themselves.

Eli - You ought to write fairy tales, because the one you just spun was a beauty. The Jews had not been to their homeland for thousands of years. It was no longer theirs It belonged to the people living there and no one else.
The Zionists are thieves and murderers. They are now parasites, no better than a termite or cockroach.

Don't take my word for it. Do some research.

There always were some jews there, no matter how hard everyone who ever controlled the land tried to drive them out.

Those who did arrive later, were buying land, as is paying money, something thieves don't do.

Eli, there was enough room for SOME of the European Jews to come to the Arabs' land but not ALL of them plus millions from Russia and the US and everywhere else on the planet.. You guys are squeezing out the INDIGENOUS inhabitants of the land. Israelis are as white and European as I am and have NO historical claim to the land just because they have the same religion as the people who lived there 2000 years ago. Adopting their religion does NOT make the modern day Jews the descendants of the Israelites/Hebrews.

By the way, do you think Norway would honor my claim on their land because my family came from there in the 1600s? No, they wouldn't- false religious claim or not.

So, you are pushing the most idiotic claim of all, that all the European jews are just converts.For your information, jews were never very welcoming of converts, unless they marry into a jewish family. Also, the fact that good Chrisitinas were constantly try to fry all the jews extra-crispie did not make the religion the most attractive to converts.

Our skin might be white but we are still descendants of the original Hebrews, INDIGENOUS to Israel, and DO have a hystorical claim for its land.

No, it does NOT have to fit ALL the jews of the world. Yours truly, for example, is just fine in USA, for now.

However, there was plenty of room for those who came to Isreal in 1940s.

Also, once again for the dim-witted, they had no other choice but to die at the hands of nazis. Excuse them for not wanting to die.

As for Norway, if you buy yourself a house in Norway and start living in it, I am pretty sure Norwegians wont send in a suicidal bomber.

screminmimi, you and posters like Cassandra are not part of the Israeli leadership, but we all see the hatred of the Palesatinians and Muslims that flows from your writings. You are all in lockstep with the policies of the leadership of Israel. You are all for continuing the American support of Israel and more wars for Israel, this time in Iran. Soon you will be screaming for a war against Lebanon, so Israel can take more land and water, as well as gas rights off the coast.

Unfortunately, we see so many of your postings, that some of us feel you all typify the ,mentality of the average Jewish person. It is becoming harder and harder to differenciate Jews from Zionists, even knowing that not all zionists are jewish.

you wish i was an antisemite. sorry to disappoint.

Juliet, that response is so juvenile and grade school. Why would I wish such a thing? It is disgusting.

Ralph, I have no hatred for Palestinians and Muslims. A very good friend is from Yemen; he is Muslim. He does not, however, spout anti-Israeli language on a continuous basis or moan about the alliance between the US and Israel. He has an interesting theory about the US/Israeli bond.

He feels that the US government reach an "accord" with Israel at the end of the war to be an ally unto perpetuity in return for the newly formed Mossad to stay away from the Nazis brought over to the US for the rocket program.

Muslims? They don't belong in our military, and if they won't accomodate themselves to the job they apply for, they need to not apply. That's it.

I am not Jewish. I am Native American. I am not Christian. I follow my own spiritual beliefs. But Israel has a right to exist.

If I hated Muslims, I would be in real trouble, considering the fine Muslim doctors I have.

Of course Israel has a right to exist- not because it's a just nation but because a couple generations have been born there on the land, therefore it's their native homeland. Further emigration should end and those living there should admit to the atrocious way the nation was formed and attempt to make amends to the Pals. Few question Israel's right to exist, what we condemn is the way they behave with impunity as if international law and the laws of common decency don't apply to them. Every Jew or Israeli that dies because of the actions of the Israeli government is on the hands of every Israeli who denies they've done anything wrong. Stop blaming those who STRIKE BACK as if Israel didn't cast the first stone.

The nation was formed by Zionists buying land in Palestine, going back to the 19th Century. They gained independence in a war against Britain. And they later acquired additional holdings when they were used as a base to attack them three times. I see nothing atrocious about that.

do you see anything wrong with continued emigration that squeezes out women and children who were born on the land? do you see anything wrong with extremist zealot settlers building illegal settlements on arab lands and then attacking the arabs and burning their fields?

The Israeli Army has dragged those illegal settlers away, and I see nothing wrong with that.

they dragged maybe 10 people away and after intense protests allowed most of them back in. israel does next to nothing to prevent illegal settlements. netanyahu supports these settlements and refuses to stop them.

"JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli government has quietly agreed to grant subsidies to build more than 500 new homes in the West Bank, backtracking from a promise earlier this year to deny these incentives to the settlements, The Associated Press has learned.

The planned construction, at a time when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to shore up support among settlers, has enraged the Palestinians and could cloud a visit starting Sunday by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton as she tries to re-energize moribund Mideast peace efforts.

The housing units are benefiting from the government's designation of the settlements as "national priority" areas — a status normally reserved for low-income cities and towns where the government wants to encourage development and lure people to live."

Now shut up and eat it.

In a war ground can be won or lost. If palestinians don't like loosing ground, all they need is to make peace.

Hi Screm! Top of the afternoon to you!

Do I like and admire the Israelis? Yes I do.

Do I want WW3 to settle the question of their existence? NO I DON'T!

But that's where I fear we're headed. How much longer can this koobike dance go on?

bankers and media moguls loyal to the zionists rule it, that's who.

Oh, yes. Those media moguls are so devoted to Zionism, there were three count 'em three movies and miniseries about Bobby Kennedy...and not one chose to mention that he was killed by a Palestinian terrorist.

Was he really killed by a Palestinian or was it made to appear he was killed by a Palestinian? JFK was ordered to be killed by Ben Gurion, the leader of Israel. Jack Ruby, a Jewish mobster, killed the only known witness, before he could say anything.

In JFK's place Lyndon Johnson, a closet Jew on his maternal grandparents side, was made president and helped arm Israel. Here - read all about it.

http://lennybendavid.com/2008/05/lyndon-johnsons-historical-connection.html

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/36262/friend-ally-savior-revealing-lbj-s-jewish-ties/

Research into
Johnson's personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the
Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major
influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America. As a
young boy, Lyndon watched his politically active grandfather "Big Sam"
and father "Little Sam" seek clemency for Leo Frank, the Jewish
victim of a blood libel in Atlanta. Frank was lynched by a mob in 1915, and the
Ku Klux Klan in Texas threatened to kill the Johnsons. Johnson's speechwriter
later stated, "Johnson often cited Leo Frank's lynching as the source of
his opposition to both anti-Semitism and isolationism."

Lyndon Johnson’s maternal ancestors, the Huffmans, apparently migrated to
Frederick, Maryland from Germany sometime in the mid-eighteenth century. Later
they moved to Bourbon, Kentucky and eventually settled in Texas in the
mid-to-late nineteenth century.¹⁰

According to Jewish law, if a person’s mother is
Jewish, then that person is automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s
ethnicity or religion. The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s
great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish. These were the
grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines.¹¹
Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin.¹²
John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a
common Jewish name.

Huffman and Perrin had a daughter, Ruth Ament Huffman,¹³
who married Joseph Baines¹⁴
and together they had a daughter, Rebekah Baines,¹⁵
Lyndon Johnson’s mother. The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three
generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was
Jewish.

More http://www.jfkmontreal.com/johnson_highlights.htm

For goodness' sake, we saw Sirhan killing Bobby on television. Even now, hoping for parole, he does not claim to be innocent, but says he was brainwashed. And Ben Gurion did not order the execution of JFK, the idea is absurd, considering how much the Jews loved Kennedy. And Jack Ruby did not kill a witness, he killed the assassin, Oswald, because he, too, loved the Kennedys. And if LBJ had a Jewish ancestor, so what. He was a lifelong practicing Christian himself.

Yes Woodshed it´s possible you´ve got Echo and Julliet number.Her words sounds like she studied at a hezbollah summer camp.Cliches BIG LIES Many nazis went to the mideast after the war.The gran mufti of Jerusalem sat at Hitlers feet and learned pyscho craziness from the perverted nazi master.The nazis combined with Isalmic brand of pyscho brani washing.The Arab Muslims are not innocent of the nazi darkness that got the German nazis humg at Nuremburg. Echo,Julliet, and some others on this site continue the horrible darkness of nazi and Islam terrorist ideology .No spin can change what is evident..It gets tedious combatting the handful of cliches and BIG LIES on this site. about Jews,Zionists,Israelis .But there is no expiration date to combat the darkness of nazism and Islamic terrorism.These 2 demon groups try to turn the tables. So we must continue to call their mumber. !!

What number...? I'm an atheist white bread American educated out in the world. I've been to Israel and the occupied territories and a thousand other places and no matter how crazy you call me the majority of the rest of the world feels just the way I do. There would be no 'middle east crisis' if Zionists hadn't showed up in Arab land and invited all their cousins and then start being hateful neighbors to the rest of the Arabs in the region. The reality of the situation is just as I've stated and no amount of talking around the issues will make you right. There was no middle east crisis before the formation of the racist, Zionist state of Israel. I don't advocate its destruction, but they must be forced to comply with international law and the laws of simple human decency.

Never been to Israel, huh?

May be that's the problem. If you go there and actually see Israel, you might be surprised how not evil it is.