So please explain how Republicans are more "moral" than anyone else.

Compared to the my religion, my religion, my religion ways of the Conservatives? Keep your beliefs to yourselves and out of lawmaking and you might have a chance.

GDP in this country is HIGHER today than it was when the recession started. (Thanks almost entirely to increased productivity by American workers.)

The only difference is where it's going.

Striking it Richer:
The Evolution of Top Income in the United States
Emmanuel Saez, March 2, 2012

In 2010, average real income per family grew by 2.3% (Table 1) but the
gains were very uneven. Top 1% incomes grew by 11.6% while bottom 99%
incomes grew only by 0.2%. Hence, the top 1% captured 93% of the income
gains in the first year of recovery.

For a real eye-opener, see the chart on p.7

The only reason we don't "have" money is that we've cut corporate taxes down to 8% of all federal revenue and given the top 2% enough in tax cuts to account for all our annual deficit.

Tax Policy Institute -

Revenue from the corporate income tax fell from between 5 and 6 percent of GDP in the early 1950s to 1.3 percent of GDP in 2010.

There's no way Romney would be this close without the hundreds of millions of $$ from corporations and billionaires.

They're INVESTING in this election, folks - don't you wonder what they expect their RETURN to be?

Nor feeding the live ones, evidently.

Larry....

And the GOP doesn't believe in feeding, educating or health care for them AFTER they are Born.

Larry your not a Republican woman. You don't speak for all republican women. This was an interesting article though. I know there are Republican women and it's interesting to see what they have to say for themselves.

A republican loud mouth Ann Coulter, would like to see women lose their right to vote. Mitt's wife wants women to just trust her husband. Is there any real difference in these two feelings? Women are not smart enough to vote in Coulter's opinion.

Republicans want to regress back to a time where women, and people of color had no rights and no vote.

Call me progressive, call me liberal. I would rather these labels than regressive and oppressive.

I think your handle covers it....

Actually Larry, I do believe you have a misconception. Plenty of Republicans don't mind abortions -- and if it's outlawed they will continue to get them, albiet quietly, just as they always have. The difference will be that RICH people will be able to go to clinics and real doctors (even if out of the country) and poor women will return to back alleys.

Abortions went on for millenniums, regardless of law or religious beliefs. It will continue to do so, regardless of law, religious beliefs or political affiliation.

Real Americans First

Really? Do you want to actually tout the GDP thing? It's interesting that CBS, hardly a conservative outlet, sees things differently.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

Now, let's talk about the deficit, shall we? Or don't we want to go there?

Women in Tampa for the RNC are like African Americans in Mississippi for the KKK convention.

Well, sort of.

I'm sure these woman are there because they were told to be by hubby.

Check out upworthy.com- "What's wrong with the Tea Party in 6 minutes".

13BVET - Now, let's talk about the deficit, shall we? Or don't we want to go there?

Sure, let's talk about that deficit. The one your boy Bush ran up with 2 unfunded (and uncounted) wars, tax cuts for the rich and a Medicare Part D giveaway to get himself reelected.

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Drive Deficit

Some lawmakers, pundits, and others continue to say that President George W. Bush's policies did not drive the projected federal deficits of the coming decade — that, instead, it was the policies of President Obama and Congress in 2009 and 2010. But, the fact remains: the economic downturn, President Bush's tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years (see Figure 1).

Beth, I'm with you.

The only reason a woman would vote GOP is that she doesn't understand what they really stand for.

Anti-family.

Anti-women.

Anti-education.

Anti-working people.

The GOP is the party of, by and for rich white men.

Whoa there Trigger! Both of the Left Wingers and Right Wingers are just that Wingers, meaning to the far left or right of center. I see that you left wingers are ready to fly towards the extremes of your socialist beliefs, no matter what ridiculous arguments you refer to.

The FACT that Barry'Os drive to make the killing of unborn children not only easier to attain, but has managed for the taxpayers to foot the bills of state sanctioned murder. Since he is your demigod, I can only assume that his policies are those of the salivating liberals.

I have an alternate solution that would not only preserve the lives of unborn children, but would allow for the irresponsible females to fornicate as much as they wish. But the best part of the solution I propose is that Taxpayers could get a break because the slutty females would not be adding more dependents to the Welfare roles.

What is this magical solution? Hysterectomies of women and sterilization of males. One simple snip and BOOM, no more children to worry about. A new technique could be developed where the process could later be reversed so they could have children at a time when they could be better able to support their families. I grew up in a time and place where welfare was not an option, so we all worked hard to provide the food needed to survive. I was working and paying ss taxes at 11 years old. My mom had six kids and married an a-hole that would get drunk and beat the whole family, so please keep your false moral indignation to a low roar.

As a social worker I saw the results in three and four generations of successive welfare and the degradation of the American Family. They traded their souls for a few monthly welfare checks so they could sit in the shade of a rundown shack or trailer and feel like kings and queens.

Drugs and alcohol offered release in the form of escape and the friends that the acquired that also gravitated toward the drug culture.

Just for your edification, I am also an opponent of the Right Wing with their self righteous sanctified religious zealots, by there are good things to be attained from both the right and left of center. My stance on Abortion and the lost Paradise of the family center is a concern to me.

Mrs. Romney spoke of a loving father, and family as the family once was before the free love and drugs and state welfare took over in the 60s and 70s. This is called socialism folks no matter how you slice it and it is the reason countries like Russia fell. What is the incentive to work harder if there will be no reward at the end of the tunnel? If people can lay around and scr-w in order to get a bigger check then why work?Lets all just get high and sing CumBaYa around the campfire? But who will get the wood for the fire, or exert any effort to acquire the marshmallow and chocolate? Oh that is right, the government will take care of that for you and all the other socialist.

Lazarus

unrealamercianfirst: The only reason a woman would vote for a dem is if they agree with the dems' philosophy that since they aren't a part of the elite dems, then they are too stupid to take care of themselves. I never have understood why a bad economy is good for women and minorities. But that is what the dems teach.

...... and most of all, ANTI BLACK PRESIDENT !!!

Beth,

I hope you understand I am not saying anything about the strict conservative stance on Abortions. For clarification, if you read the back stories from the convention, The discussion on abortions are to do with legal abortions that , save the mother's life(health issue), Rape or Incest. All of this question of legal abortions that allow the welfare numbers to swell and the irresponsible females that allow themselves to get pregnant is a crime. The victims are the unborn children and the taxpayers.

How hard is it to decide to be a family or not? I have known couples where the young mothers decided to NOT have children because of job, career, house payments, that summer beach vacation and the new Swimming suit, or those terrible strech marks in the nether regions. The young wives get secret abortions or take morning after type measures without letting the husbands know that their wife is killing their children.

At around age 40 the wife might decide to get maternal and her eggs have deterorated to a point that the child is a mongoloid, caused by the old eggs. while the child may live a happy life, it will never be the child that could have been 20 years earlier. The parent are now old, and the child require special education. I am not talking absolutes, but probabilities.

Rape of a woman is crime and since the perpetrators should be punished, the woman and the family should not be held to keep the child. Ultra conservatives would want the child to be born and then adopted, but the process id 9 months and to me the act of carrying a child for term would be aform of punishment.

However, since Barry'O seems to vehemently supportive of the Muslims, we see them doing one of two things regarding this subject. If a Married woman is raped, she is killed for fornication since it was her duty to die during the rape., or two, If an under aged girl is raped, she is forced under the threat of death is forced to marry the rapist and keep his child.

Religious involvement in laws are banned in our country for a reason, but common sense is not and should not be against the law. Learn the facts of what is actually being said in the Republican thought process and you might be surprised at how different it really is compared to the Left Wing Rhetoric. As to the left wing, we can onlty look at the evidence of the terrible leadership of the Barry'O and his rhetorical followers.

Hard line politics is like stupid people pretending to be sheep being led around by the nose who are not allowed to think for themselves.

Lazarus

First, Mitt Romney needs to wipe that smirk off his face and show us his taxes (along with proof that he isn't an android).

Princess Mitzi also needs to do some serious explaining as to why the "Party of Small Government" is so dead set on legislating what happens in women's vaginas. I personally don't want some old half-dead white guys in Washington getting that close to me, unless they would like to tell us all about their own difficult pregnancy experiences.

As for economics: Americans like small businesses. Who wouldn't? Yet the GOP seems infinitely more invested in huge global businesses that gobble up the small, outsource jobs to Third World nations, and refuse to pay a reasonable share of taxes on their obese profits.

Hello, it's not small business owners taking those giant bonuses: it's the stockbrokers and bank execs who just repossessed your house while you were struggling. Gosh golly whillikers, which party was in charge during those sterling years 2001-2008? Anybody want another war? Iran? Mexico? Those Belgians are looking awfully suspicious!

As much as I wish that Obama had made it his first priority to go after the sleaze monkeys at the banks, maybe everyone just might agree that the 2008 Presidential winner was doomed to inherit Doody Mountain -- thanks to 30 years of deregulation that began with Grandpa Ron, continued through Dad Bush and Clinton, and came to a head under Dip S. Dubya.

What McCain might have done differently, we shall never know, but at least we have spent four years without the possibility of an ignorant, spiteful, menopausal Alaska housewife running the country. Maybe that in itself is sufficient comfort.

larry-5534379...

Your a piece of work...you talk smack about Canada.

Yet, they make more money than the average American, have better health care, better civil protections, better quality of life, longer life expectancy, and better income equality than the US.

So shut your mouth and open your eyes...

Lazarus :/

Sure -- we have a few Republican women but the majority of adult women are not Republicans. The fact is Romney trails President Obama among women, blacks, college educated men and women, and Hispanics. The only demographic Romney is winning is high school educated white men over 40.

American socialist,

Your response is confirmation as to your liberal socialist agenda and heritage. OH Canada Oh Canada(Music). Better health care, and what else??? Your eyes have been closed for some time if you truly believe any of your own socialist rhetoric.

LOL

Lazarus

American Socialist

The reason the GDP is higher is QE1 and QE2. In common language, inflation.

Look at your actual products being manufactures, example Units of cars. Still less than in 2000. Houses under construction. Buildings under construction - still well below 2008.

And if Canadians are making more, and that happened this year, it is because we are falling behind instead of moving forward.

DB Akron - And if Canadians are making more, and that happened this year, it is because we are falling behind instead of moving forward.

Doesn't that mean the Canadians are doing something right?

And to hear you guys tell it, all socialist countries in the world are economic basket cases. (lol)

Norway's not doing so bad, either.

Real American.

Clearly, you have not done work in Canada. I did design for nearly 2 dozen projects in Canada. Until Obama and company added over 50,000 pages of legislation, it was a major accomplishment to get a project completed in Canada and it didn't matter if it was in Alberta, Toronto or Quebec. Now, I can tell you that getting a project done in many parts of the US is now far more difficult to accomplish than in Canada.

Why do you think Canada is now building a pipeline to the Pacific? They can get an approval to build a pipeline long before we can, and they will have it half built before get approved.

The only reason I'm on this website is because even though I can get developments fit into some of the most difficult to use sites, few companies want to expand at this time. If they do want to expand, they are afraid of the costs of the ACA. If they are not afraid of the ACA, they cannot get a loan. If they can get a loan, then they are trying to work their way through other government regulations that on a daily basis are changing causing delays in approvals and additional expense that can cause a project to shut down.

No Real American, it isn't so much that Canada is advancing that much, it is that we are being pushed to the back of the line by a political system that controls everything.

Larry (Post # 2.9):

Your comments, places you in the same category as Adkin, who believes in the Dark Ages of treating women, or one of the 2 white males today at the RNC, who threw peanuts at the black female, CNN camera operator while saying : "This is how we feed animals!"at RNC. It's those kinds of Republican attitudes and remarks that turn away voters from their Party, and makes you look like the little scum bag trash in the gutters.

It's also, obvious that being a Social Worker doesn't require you to know how to spell small 4 letter words, such as :"hve".

Charlie (Post 2.24 )

To quote you:

"The only demographic Romney is winning is high school educated white men over 40."

You forgot to add to Romney's followers: "The Dark Ages, Feudal Landlords of women."

So I like the lady who says she's getting involved because 'we're the first generation to be worse off than our parents.'

Funny, that's why I got involved. Except I got involved against the people who killed the middle class with their new top-down economic experiment (which began - oh look, what a coincidence, right about the time she was born), and who, even in the face of the ensuing destruction, continue to say that killing the labor unions, loosening credit to make up for lower wages, driving debt through the roof, and deregulating the market were just the best things they ever did.

Oh, and the blogger (that's a real job these days?) who says 'we probably don't understand how good we have it.'

No ma'am, I don't. But you probably don't know how good we had it. Remember pensions? Know a lot of people with those anymore? One person could work hard and own a home, support a family, educate his kids, retire and spend the last few years of his life with the grandkids? Ringing any bells? It wasn't unavoidable market forces which took those away, it was an economic policy promulgated by the people you're hanging out with.

But hey, at least the rich got a lot richer, so that part worked.

Larry -- the Republican thought process is no abortions, no way, no how, no reason, no exceptio. Read the platform.

And fine, they can do that and pat themselves on the back and feel all warm and fuzzy about all the "babies" they are saving. But it won't happen. Abortions will continue to happen, whether it's legal, whether the Republicans like it or don't like it. And guess what ... they will happen to Republicans.

And the more educated people are, the more likely the are to vote Democrat.

80% of the country's wealth is owned by women. Uhmm, NO. Do some research for facts.

• Amy Poehler is going to have as much fun on SNL doing Ann Romney, as Tina Fey had doing Sarah Palin.

• I can see an Ann Romney (Poehler) vs. Sarah Palin (Fey) skit coming out of this that should be absolutely hilarious!

How can SNL lose which such great and talented comediennes doing such hugely comical figures as Ann Romney and Sarah Palin? They both do that double-finger-pointing thing! ROTFLMAO!!!

Bruce, who should play the fat Michelle Obama in the SNL skit making fun of her? Oh that's right, democrat families are off limits.

Real American

What happened to you?

And the more educated people are, the more likely the are to vote Democrat.

Yeah riiiiiiiiight .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

Don't let the facts influence you.

Retired coastie, i raise your useless youtube video and raise you one published article. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

No, Retired coast guard.

And the more educated people are, the more likely the are to vote Democrat.

According to 2008 presidential exit polling just over half of those who received a Masters or Doctorate degrees do vote Democrat. However in the group of high school through Bachelors degree receipients vote over half vote Republican. Unfortuneately, the other group that votes heavily for democrats are those that do not finish high school.

You may have heard the saying about some people "They are so smart, they are stupid.". This applies. Since the time of Marx, the target has been those who see themselves as intellects. Marx found that they were the most easiest to deceive.

You see, when someone decides they are smart, they fall victim to pride and fall victim to very cleverly stated flawed logic. Somehow they cannot admit they don't really know something, or admit something they said is wrong.

Many in businesses will tell you that they never hire a Phd and sometimes don't even want someone with a masters degree. Experience shows, and I have also personally witnessed, that they are the most difficult to get practical productive work out of. They try to use theories, that might sound great in discussion, but have proven time and again to be wrong in practical use.

There are exceptions, like Dr Condelezza Rice. She turned out to be a better Secretary of State than Colin Powell. She got cooperation from Arab and Islamic leaders that Colin could not. That is a huge accomplishment since the Arab and Islamic tendency is to see women as second class citizens and just about might as well be a slave.

Jon that is jaded. Do a little more digging, most phsychologist are liberal. Do you really think they would say anything other than liberals are more intelligent?

Seven I said controled not owned. This has been true for years. Women control the spending in this country.

I actually took psychology in HS. Learned about R.E.M Rapid Eye Movement and reverse psychology and wrote periodicals . Boring class. It was hard to stay awake. i barely passed .

I was surprised they actually have magazines on the subject too.

Anyways i enjoyed the reply.
I may even use newsvines seeds function to have some fun with it. stand by not this link but it is coming. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfA2b9YSag&feature=related

OOP THERE IT IS :-)

http://retiredcoastguard.newsvine.com/_news/2012/08/30/13575364-here-is-your-proof-liberals-are-smarter?threadId=3554097&commentId=69494359#c69494359

Retired coastie, i raise your useless youtube video and raise you one published article.

I stand corrected Jon smith , and in your honor i took the liberty of seeding your link :-) enjoy pls

I agree. I have a problem when someone tells me their version of the "truth". Everyone has their version of the "truth". Just like the lady Michelle above. She is a typical con: it's my way or the highway. Unfortunately most of them have it wrong. She does. I understand perfectly well what has made this country great and it isn't strictly white conservatives. For some reason the cons in this country just can't comphrend the fact that many people other than white conservatives have contributed to how great America is.

People like Michelle need to wake up and realize: the mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.

Chris, you realize of course that Romney donated his entire inheritance to charity. Of course the media doesn't want you to know that. Calling Romney a robber baron is another liberal lie. He has been running for President since 2008. Any wrong doing would have been dug up by the success hating democrats.

One simple question for you geniuses: What has Obama done to deserve a second term?

If Romney has nothing to hide, why won't he release his taxes? His wife, while in NC actually said, if they released them, that would give the Democrats more ammunition. That leads me to believe there is something in there they don't want seen. I doubt they have done anything illegal, so why not be forthcoming?

I haven't seen a thing a Republican has done that would entice me to pull the R lever. In 2010, the R's got a strong foothold in Washington, and also in the state governments of NC and VA (the area I live in). Since that time, Washington has only gotten worse, and in at the state level we have seen the R's try to push vaginal probe ultra sounds for women contemplating abortions, constitutional amendments to keep gay folks from marrying, and the voter fraud solution looking for an issue. I have never been able to figure out why the R's fly the small government flag, because in my opinion, these are personal issues for the most part, and it ain't none of your damn business!

To save money, Washington, and the states could start by routing out fraud in programs. By programs, I don't only mean the safety net programs, I mean all of it, including the DOD.

Gary - Romney donated his inheritance money to the Mormon church. How is that a charity?

Gary, an what charity might that be? I don't consider the Mormon Church a "Charity" any more than I consider a Catholic, Christian, Baptist churches charities. I think there are many other ways that one can contribute and I'd love to know exactly when and where he did this. I guess it would be easy to donate a few million of your inheritance after you have raided, mortgaged and bankrupted businesses and extracted any wealth that they can provide. Would you donate $5 after you had $1 Million in the bank? You Betcha!!!!!!

If that is a problem for you to discuss on behalf of Romney, how about we discuss his draft dodging efforts during Vietnam? Or his ridiculous excuse as to why none of his sons have served: "They have served our nation, by helping me to get elected to office". Really??? Really???? That is one of the most dumb and ignorant statements that a person could make but I have come to expect them from "The extremely Conservative Governor of Mass". What a laugher.......now my sides hurt. He rode a bike around France to avoid serving his nation abroad and all in the name of his cowardice and fear and now he wants to be Commander-In-Chief? No thanks, I don't want him to have anything to do with my Navy or any of the Armed Forces for that matter. He devours and strips down everything he touches and he will be corrosive to everything good that remains of our country.

You may be right Michael, from the looks of some of these photographs the founding mothers are in attendance.

Sounds like a yeast infection.

I think that's caused by tea. You should keep it out of your privates.

So you want us out of your vagina but you will take our money to pay for it? You want to do what you want with your body, by all means go ahead, just pay for it yourself.

quest.....And You pay for the GOP'S WARS

"guest" - Pay for it??? That is NOT the real debate. Making woman's health care Available & LEGAL are what we are talking about. The GOP (WHITE OLD MEN) want to control health care decisions of ALL the woman in the country based on their RELIGION... Why is the basic fact that the Constitution states "SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE" such a hard concept for the RIGHT to follow??? Look around the globe EVERY conflict going on can be traced to RELIGION!

If the GOP spent as much time worrying about the living as they do the unborn more Americans might take them a bit more seriously. Teach Sex-ED in School. Make protection (Condoms) available to teens, provide better education to the young and not be so SELFISH.

XX.

Don't try to explain it to them Max. Fox news has already told them what to think and they are too stupid and hateful to help themselves. Man I but the stock in laxatives really went up in November 2008. That Obama win must have stopped up these biggots for weeks. Get ready invest in laxatives because it will be another Democrat win in 2012

Matters not to guest as long as we pay for his viagra for his um.....inabilities.

I'm not referring to the GOP's wars and I never said I wasn't against that. Just because I am a part of a party doesn't mean I follow them blindly, agree with every word out of their mouths, and all the decisions they make. I can admit when they are wrong, and when I am wrong. Something I can't say about many people on here. I ask for people to back up their claims, god forbid. Do you seriousslyyy think that if we have a Republican President that women's healthcare will became illegal and we won't be able to have it anymore? I believe the new healthcare bill is good for the fact that women can get the care they need with exams, cancer screens etc. but I do not feel the same about free birth control and funding going towards abortions. The whole "get out of my vagina" thing is taking it to the extreme.

@Maxx

Actually, that is the real debate. Womens health care is available and legal at the moment, you just need to pay for it. You are trying to reframe the debate by saying that womens healthcare IS restricted, because they need to pay for it.

So, based on what you said, guest is correct. You want us/government out of your vagina BUT at the same time want us to pay for any care you need...

Which is it? If we get out of your private parts why should we pay for it?

I think what many women have a problem with is their attitude about the woman who was raped and did not consent to a pregnancy to carry a child against her will
(to heck with her rights as a living, breathing human being) and go through the trauma of the rape over and over again each day for nine months, not to mention the physical trauma of the pregnancy and delivery, AS WELL AS the medical costs for all of that! Plus, Ryan was on the floor of the House arguing that there is too much latitude in the “health of the mother” rape exception and that it should be tightened, effectively arguing that the government gets to determine just how close to death a woman has to be before she can have an abortion! AND Ryan introduced legislation for an ultrasound requirement for women currently obtaining perfectly legal abortions, though the ultrasound is not medically necessary or proscribed by her doctor (such as in VA), and the example of TX and the medically unnecessary “vaginal probe” requirement for women currently obtaining perfectly legal abortions, as well as the whole “personhood” legislation (making all abortion illegal, as well as invitro, and most types of hormonal birth control) that has been repeatedly proposed by Republicans and when asked Romney said he would sign it into legislation if it came across his desk. After all of that, they have the gall to say there is no “war on women” and they can’t seem to understand why Romney is behind with women in poll after poll by double digits! The only reason they're mad at Akin is because he said publically what they really believe (look at their platform) and didn't want to put into the public discourse. Apparantly they don't think women are paying attention!

brendan - Should we get out of your cancer coverage as well?

Bendan,

What care are you having to pay for? Don't you think it's insurance companies would much rather pay for contraceptives than pregnancies? Do you know how much cheaper that is? If contraceptives can prevent pregancies, and ergo, abortions of unwanted children, why are so many of you freaking out about it? Do you really think covering cancer screenings gives you a right to tell someone they have to have unwarranted medical procedures or that they have to carry a rapist's child! These things are real issues the Repubs have attempted to put into leglislation when they should be working on jobs, but then get all out of shape when it's brought up accusing people of using wedge issues! Our healthcare system should be more than willing to cover preventative screenings for men and women as that will decrease the overall costs in the end when diseases can be prevented or caught early.

brendan,

That is not the debate. Women aren't asking for "us" to pay for it, they are asking insurance to cover it, which they pay the premium for. And if any funding did come from taxes, you may want to be aware that women also pay taxes.

"brendan" Please pull your head out of the sand and listen to what "Your" party is doing/saying about abortion - It will be illegal to get an abortion NO MATTER WHAT!! Or they push a ultrasound wand up her privates - without consent - to show what the "living being" looks like before you can get access. Barefoot quite and pregnant is how the GOP sees woman today. This is NOT the future I want my 16 year old daughter to face. Add the rest of their ideology to the mix and we are really going to be set back as a country with them in power.

Not to hash it out but please please remember how / who got us in this mess to start with and who is BLOCKING the way President Obama is taking to get the country back on task. With "Get rid of Obama no matter what" the main focus of the GOP there is no way for him to succeed.

Are you guys aware that for most of my adult life, oral birth control was not covered by insurance prescription plans? You could get an annual exam by your doctor (covered if you were of child-bearing age) and a prescription, but you had to pay for it all out of pocket. Even if it was for a hormonal therapy for another physical condition, i.e. endometriosis.

Further what was covered by insurance used to be mandated by a state insurance board or by state legislatures. And they took action to put Viagra on the insurance prescription plans immediately upon its approval by FDA. So they would cover a man's enhanced ability to make a woman pregnant but not for her to prevent it. I'd like to point out that a limp organ has never killed anybody. But sometimes women do die in childbirth. And all in all, pregnancy healthcare and childbirth ain't cheap.

In Illinois - Viagra was what caused the Legislature to make the insurance companies to have oral contraceptives on the prescription plans.

All of that said. I want the pill, and other forms of birth control available for women to make an informed choice with their physician. But the Government should not mandate that it be covered in private insurance plans and it should not be provided at no cost. It should be covered at the same rate as the little blue pill. Sauce goose gander.

Who are you guys trying to kid? Since when has a private business ever paid for a tax or mandate by just absorbing the cost? Any mandated costs are passed on to premium paying customers, simple as that. To think anything else would be ignorance.

And by that wonderful mandate, it forces me to pay for birth control for women at no cost to them. As the above poster said, if you want fairness, have the state insurance boards petition that birth control be paid for on the prescription plan at the same rate as viagra. Why should anyone be given preferential treatment?

Women giving BIRTH get preferential treatment. I am a woman who used birth control to avoid pregnanacy and I pay more for "WOMAN CARE" on my insurance, even though I get nothing from it.

On another blog Maria1119 provide this EXCELLENT "Free advice for the Republicans who are trying to attract Latinos and women:"

1. Re-write your party platform and eliminate the racist, sexist, misogynist, religiously intolerant and other discrimination parts.
2. Get a divorce from all the "people" that are corporations.
3. Bring your party into the 21st centuty.
4. Recognize that we live in a secular society, not everyone is Jesus crazy.
5. Reread what Jesus said. He had this thing for social justice.
6. Get rid of the mad hatters
7. Make your candidates accountable and transparent. No tax evasion hanky-panky if they want to run.
8. Practice what you preach.
9. Respect women
10. Respect Latinos and other minorities.

Thank you again Maria!!!

Exactly - I would be more than happy to seriously consider conservative's ideas around fiscal management and entitlement reform but I am not willing to take the chance that in achieving those goals they will be more than happy to sign away my rights to make decisions for myself to some religious nutjob.

Republicans are going to have to accept the idea that if you are for small government staying out of the way of individuals, that means women too - and applies to more than their paycheck. Once they are willing to support a platform that acknowledges my right to decide what is best for me and my body and that I have a right to equal pay for equal work, I'll think about voting republican again. I've voted republican in my state many times, as well as democratic, independent and progressive. I've voted republican a few times specifically to put the brakes on a democratic state legislature. This year I am voting democratic to try as best we can to put the brakes on the tea party reactionaries.

Obama pays his female campaign staffers 2,100 a year less than male co-workers. google it if you don't believe me

Foot in mouth? I think so...

Do as i say, not as i do, the obama campaign promise

Past the right wing rumor blogs, I found this:

"President Obama’s top female White House aides earn more on average than their male counterparts, a reversal from the pattern in the George W. Bush administration, The Washington Times found in an analysis of 2011 pay records.

Top female employees on average earned nearly 4 percent more than top male employees under Mr. Obama, compared with a deficit of 12 percent under Mr. Bush."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/30/obama-pays-a-few-women-big-bucks/?page=all

Way to go, President Obama!

No she believes that unborn babies, have a right to life.

How terrible.

BrentAZ....No she Feels like they don't deserve to be Health, feed, clothed , or Educated After birth...Sick

Spoken like a True male who has No skin in the Game.

How about lets not get pregnant in the first place and then we don't have to worry about abortion or who's going to feed them. That was difficult! It's just like Ronald Reagan said "I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.", quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980. With some of the liberals on here it makes me want to reconsider my stance.
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How about lets not get pregnant in the first place

How about telling that to rape victims?

It's just like Ronald Reagan said "I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born."

I have noticed that everybody that is against abortion tends to be male!

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. It's a contradictory term. Regardless, women are intelligent adults, capable of making very tough personal decisions. Government should not treat women like little girls who can't make their own decisions.

@PrecededbyNone:

"How about telling that to rape victims?" Didn't you hear that, according to the Republican running for the senate seat, rape victims have the ability to overcome invasive sperm and their bodies will prevent pregnancy.

Yes, how about that? Don't get pregnant in the first place sounds good. Except, oh wait...they don't condone any form of birth control or any kind of education to kids except abstinence (which oh yeah, they listen to that while their hormones are raging). Come to think of it, I'm sure very few of these decision makers only do it for procreation sake and not because its pleasurable. And I'm pretty sure that if every woman refused to have sex unless they were doing it strictly to procreate, most men would take different stance on certain issues.

Of course rape is a different situation and you can spin this however you like. The Republican party is not against sex education or birth control...maybe there are some...but not all. And by the way I am female...so your assumption is wrong. Getting an abortion is a heart wrenching decision I have actually made and have regreted my entire life. I have three wonderful children now and I love them so much that it's unbearable to think how much joy my first child would have brought me. Abortion is a horrible situation usually made when you're young and the pain lasts a lifetime.

get over it. please do. Just because you feel sad, why do you have a right to vote against other women's rights. An abortion is a heart wrenching decision and no one has a right to be included in that decision except the woman.

get over it - You had a choice. And now you're trying to deny it to others.

Have you ever thought that you might not have the children you have today if you'd been forced to keep the first one?

How sad. The typical line from liberals is only women should be able to abortion. Well, here's a woman who has had an abortion talking about what an awful decision it was, and she is attacked and told to "get over it". Personally, I wish the extremes on both sides would actually do something positive and seriously promote adoption. When 97% of the abortions in this country are not medically necessary, we have a problem. When we have willing parents going overseas to adopt because of the length of time it takes to get a child here, we have a problem. There are alternatives that are real and viable, if people quit looking for a quick fix.

Reading is fundamental Mark...no one told her to get over it, that's her screen name!!

If the Republicans stuck to the real governance issues like foreign policies, economics and immigration then women and minorities might not be fleeing the party like rats from a sinking ship. The absolute stance of the GOP party platform has forced voters to decide between social freedoms and other, less immediately public issues. They have turned it into an either/or kind of ticket.

Moderate Republicans cannot continues to turn their backs on the more extreme members of their party who will insist on making many private decisions for their constituents. For instance, the basis for "no choice" and gay marriage is religion, which has no place in politics. Clean up your house Republicans and stick to the real issues in which federal politics actually belongs.

I do it because I don't mind paying taxes and want to help people. Because I feel like we are all in this together and I'm not afraid of what tomorrow might be.

Because I believe the government is disfunctional but not non-functional or evil. And because I don't believe that a strong upper class and bussiness class will suport a middle and working class unless its told it has to.

Laura, Laura, Laura...you are a pure example of woman or an American that is completely brained washed by either your Republican husband or a boyfriend or a father. Please start thinking for yourself. Look back into history to see where the future leads. See what Reagan/Bush has done to this country and you will know what they will do again in the future except now they will take your rights as a woman away from you as well. I've worked all my life, put myself through college, never gotten anything free in this world, and I cannot understand why would any sane hard working person vote Republican, unless they are millionaires. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with being a millionaire. All I am saying is that I will not vote for their interests, I will vote for mine.

beadarg - I take exception to your characterization of Laura as brainwashed by some man in her life. Women are just as capable as men of reaching a conclusion, even a selfish, self-defeating one, all on their own.

Because Laura, we know the GOP talking points are lies. 90 percent of those on assistance are elderly, disabled, or working! ( center on budget and policy priorities 2/10/12)---not exactly the deadbeats you guys like to portray. Of course there are some deadbeats, just like there are some Dems who are murderers and some Repubs who are...there are bad folks in all walks of life. But this demonization of the poor is unprecedented. I worked my whole life and have been lucky enough to not need assistance. I have a niece, single mom, at 37 got diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer 2 weeks after she was laid off from a job she loved and was good at. The lack of compassion, the assumptions you guys all have almost, almost make me wish you could walk in their shoes for a month.

Laura..do you see dead people too? That was as smart as putting M. Bachman in on the "Intelligence committee"

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beadarg - I take exception to your characterization of Laura as brainwashed by some man in her life. Women are just as capable as men of reaching a conclusion, even a selfish, self-defeating one, all on their own.

Anita....Ok of course women are capable. Did I say that women are not capable? But in Laura's case there are two conclusions. She is either brainwashed or stupid...wanted to be more politically correct.

Laura-313822:

It is beyond me why anyone, man or woman; who works for a living would vote Democrat.

You've made it abundantly clear that there's a great deal going on that's beyond you.

But, not to worry. I'm sure the man in your life will explain it and you will comply.

@Beadarg

nice way to show your discrimination of women. so they always fall into two categories when they don't share your views?

man you are ignorant, i hope your wife/girlfriend/significant other takes a swift swipe to your gonads for categorizing women in such a demeaning way. you deserve it.

@Beardarg - You are a massive, flaming hypocrite.

Sounds to me like beadarg is the one trying to set women back...and he's a Democrat!!!

How nice that so many that disagree with me find it necessary to insult me. Typical liberal response.

Paladin,

I also help people but it's people and groups of my chosing. I don't feel the need to leave it up to the government to decide who my money should help.

@Laura-313822

"How nice that so many that disagree with me find it necessary to insult me.

Typical liberal response."

Hello Laura. Some would see your "typical liberal response" comment as an unnecessary insult, too. Some would consider it "Fair & Balanced" ( pun intended ;-) I just question the point of their insults or your rejoinder. Can't we all do better than that? We are all in this boat together.

In the Hopi language their word "koyaanisqatsi", which roughly translates to "life out of balance" suggests a state of life that calls for another way of living. Do you ever get that nagging feeling that no matter how hard you try, individually, or collectively with those of like mind to get our points across, the other side just isn't listening and has no interest or intention of doing so? Curiously enough the other side is probably struggling with much the same frustration.

In a way, that is sort of a perverse "balance." Both sides in an equilibrium of frustration, neither side willing or interested in budging or giving an inch. Stalemate = equilibrium = balance.

But nothing gets accomplished. Clearly that should compel us all to look for another way of living.

Your thoughts?

Robert,

My thoughts...I think your post was really boring.

Note that I didn't insult you personally as some others prefer to do. It was the post that made me think that perhaps you may be a liberal academic without a real job.

Jeannie.....Have you been to another contry?

BrentAZ - Looks like you might be from Arizona...that is another country in itself.

The United States is not the greatest country on earth. It is possibly the best (or one of the best) as far as free speech goes. Most countries do not have the right to free speech to the extent we do in America. All of the awful, nasty racist stuff people post about the President? That could get someone arrested in another country, even first world countries.

Also, our justice system is one of the best in the world. other than that, we need to earn the right to call ourselves the greatest, and we haven't.

@beadarg

Why is arizona another country in itself?

@beadarg..

Why do you say Arizona is another country in itself?

does [sic] this resonate with ANYONE...?

I don't know... women maybe?

Overcompensation for sexism against women leads to sexism against men, just as overcompensation for racism leads to reverse racism. Not that I really give a damn...

Brainwashed.

Procr...No fella, they want to see/hear from the Man/king first.

And they are relying on their magic underwear to keep them safe.

Exactly Procrusts. Frefreshing to see women that can look at problems and decide for themselves.

@Pray, you mean how democrats blindly follow the great divider in cheif? that being hussein obama

If you are not making over $200,000 a year....you are already divided. George Bush made the "division" when he gave a huge tax break to the wealthy greedies of America.

@cookie

I fail to understand how wanting to keep what you earn is greedy. We are all entitled to the fruits of our labor, no?

I would say the division has been made by the 51% paying income tax and the 49% not paying income tax. The haves vs the have nots

Republicans loved to get paid while pooping. They make sure they remain on the clock while taking a load off.

PS: I'm a registered unaffiliated, independent.

Devin -- what we need is the REAL silent majority -- the centrists -- to rise up and take this country back from the extreme right and extreme left. It's sad that the few congressmen/women left who would actually consider talking to the other "side" and "compromise" are being voted out due to extremism.

The bottom line, what will finally ruin this country, is extremism and the inability to work together for a common goal. Everyone is afraid they won't get ALL of what they want, so they refuse to compromise on any of it.

Yeah Beth!

Devin, is it ok with you that Unions also get rights under that ruling?

Don't ruin it! They all want to demonize women who get abortions because some whackjob politician or (more likely) preacher has convinced them that these women are dirty whoores who use abortion as birth control.

You are asking for logic and reason. you aren't going to get that from the far right. Heck, they think the Bible is real...

When I was in HS, the girls getting the abortions were the ones dating the religious Southern Baptists boys. In fact one of my friend's boyfriend was studying to be a preacher and he didn't feel ready to start a family. Ever since then I have never believe the religious right telling me how righteous they are.

Tina, VERY WELL PUT !!!

Rich girls don't get abortions. They "go on vacation to Europe".

Try Obama's 15% unemployment for women with national unemployment at 8.3% PLUS and due to be over 9% next year if Obama is re-elected.

Now, that's a REAL WAR ON WOMEN !!

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(In 50 years, it never once occurred to me to have someone else buy my Birth Control. But, I really could use a NEW Car. What do you boys want??)

This was the CNN Money headline in Bush's last month of office:

Job loss: Worst in 34 years

Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January as unemployment rate climbed to 7.6%.

Here was last month's number from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 163,000 in July.

All the GOP can do to win is LIE.

Thank you Tina for your deep insightful contribution.

But to respond - I believe that Government should be smaller, I think that Government should fund things that the States cannot fund because it crosses state boundaries, and that were identified in the Constitution. I believe that the Government does not owe me a living, or a cell phone. I believe that Washington DC doesn't know anything about how people outside the Beltway live, and doesn't care to know. And I believe that they would like to have the power to tell me how to live.

And I believe that it is a bunch of old white guy lawyers in both parties that would like to have that power.

I believe that you try to work within the system to get it to reflect what you believe.

So I spent over 20 hours at the local Republican platform committee meeting trying to get a plank for the repeal of the Patriot Act, and the offensive sections of the NDAA. We also spent eight hours just on the right to life planks - and some of us were there trying to moderate the Party stance, and there was also the one issue voters. We won some and lost some. Do you judge the whole platform, or a person because of one item, or one opinion?

It isn't only Republicans that want to negate women's rights, or limit your choices.

Micheal, your contributions are childish.