Images show peaceful scenes from settlement where indigenous groups, Venezuela dispute whether Amazon massacre took place

Ariana Cubillos / AP

An aerial view of a village called Irotatheri is seen as Yanomami Indians stand in the main courtyard in Venezuela's Amazon region, Friday, Sept. 7. A Venezuelan army spokesman, who traveled to with other military officers and journalists, said that officials found no sign of any killings and that all was peaceful in the area, which is located 12 miles from the border with Brazil, despite a report of a mass killing there.

After reports of a massacre of in a tribal village in the Amazon, military officials and journalists traveled to the remote region this week. Photos received on Sept. 8 show peaceful scenes of village life.   

"We can tell the country that we have seen no evidence of death," said Nicia Maldonado, Venezuela's minister of government affairs, in televised comments.

Native rights groups and some local politicians criticized the government, saying it reached that conclusion prematurely.

The remoteness of the region - and the nomadic habits of the Yanomami tribe - make it unlikely officials could have reached the exact spot where the attack was reported to have taken place, they said. Even natives, they point out, take days to move among settlements in the region.

-- Reported by Reuters

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Yanomami natives of the Irotatheri community.

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Yanomami natives perform a ritual dance at Irotatheri community.

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A Yanomami child remains on top of the structure of a hut.

Ariana Cubillos / AP

A Yanomami Indian sitting in a hammock feeds a baby mouth to mouth.

Ariana Cubillos / AP

A Yanomami Indian woman sits on a fallen tree as she chews tobacco.

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A Yanomami woman walks with her child on her back.

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A Yanomami family eats.

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Yanomami natives rest next to a bonfire.

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The Irotatheri community is seen at night.

 

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So, who do we believe?

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Reply#1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:49 AM EDT

Not sure yet. The Venezuelan government has denied massacres before but Survival International, as much as I support them, has been mistakenly wrong before.

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#1.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:56 AM EDT

Between those two countries, concerning such things? Both have something to hide.

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#1.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:19 AM EDT

Back in 1994 there was a real massacre of indians in Venezuela. Apparently a land owner wanted more land and got a few army people to go to the indian village, kill all the male inhabitants, dressed the killed people in camouflage and then accuse them of being "communist guerillas".

The land owner almost got away with it except that his army buddies fail to kill 3 other men who escaped by diving into a river nearby.

The president of Venezuela at the time, Jaime Lusinchi, sided with the land onwer even after it was revealed the indians massacred were not communist guerillas, and the 3 surviving men had to ask Mexico for asylum because they feared for their life. They were granted the asylum.

Four years later Hugo Chavez was elected president. I'm sure that he's doing his best to find out what really happened in the Amazon so he can once again show he's not like the corrupted politicians who ruled before him.

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#1.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:06 AM EDT

They're lucky to live there - that's my favorite store.

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#1.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

How in the world would anyone other than the locals know one village picture from another? Seriously we as a country need to go back to elementary school and learn logic. This could be pictures of a village 100 miles away for all any of us know. People and governments have staged fake scenes for pictures many documented times, especially in "war" or "massacre" areas. I do not believe there is one honest international investigative organization that could even look into things like this. As long as human beings roam the Earth these things will happen. The Earth is more populated now than ever before. We are already fighting for oil and soon we will be fighting for water as population grows exponentially It is up to the individual to plan ahead and have the means to defend themselves not only from their fellow man but more importantly their government.

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#1.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:04 AM EDT

Four years later Hugo Chavez was elected president. I'm sure that he's doing his best to find out what really happened in the Amazon so he can once again show he's not like the corrupted politicians who ruled before him.

lol, that WAS sarcasm, right?

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#1.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:52 AM EDT

Venezuela used to be my favorite country to enjoy. The cost was cheap, the people were friendly and there's excitement and adventure there. That's how it used to be. Now it's super dangerous. Gangs roam the streets not only in Caracas but all towns. The people are beyond poor. They're desperate. I wouldn't put anything past the government there. Currently I live in Nicaragua. Another very poor country, but here, the people are quick to smile and I feel safe. I couldn't imagine a slaughter taking place here. I can see it happening in Venezuela though.

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#1.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:10 AM EDT

Will showing us a few photos out of National Geographic of peaceful native culture sway our thinking? Remember too that Venezuela is not the only country in the history of the world where indigenous peoples have fared poorly when more-modern peoples have needed more land or profit either!

    #1.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

    Algo llama la atencion en las fotos. Una madre alimenta al hijo boca a boca, forma esta que demuestra el atraso y abandono en que viven. En otra foto un nativo de la misma tribu danza con una camisa "moderna" confeccionada con la nueva bandera de la Republica Bolivariana. Al parecer hay una presencia de Chavez en las vidas de estos indios aunque no para su beneficio. Probablemente voten por Chavez en las proximas elecciones y despues mueran de diarreas o se los coma una anaconda.

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    #1.9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

    Brokinarrow, I'm not being sarcastic. Before Chavez was elected in 1998, indians were murdered very often throughout Venezuela. That stopped from happening after Chavez became president. Chavez has indian blood in him and he's built a very disciplined army.

    The problem with Chavez is not Chavez himself but the rich oligarchy who still control many parts of the judicial system and police forces. In other words, the ones getting assesinated are Chavez people and that's one thing the US media has failed to understand or report on.

    Americans keep talking about him as a dictator when in fact Chavez is more of a Robin Hood fighting the Powers That Be. That's why he's always been ahead in the polls and is expected to win the presidential elections this October 7th.

    Venezuelans would rather have a president who puts the oil money to good use building up the coutnry than someone from a party made of rich folks pocketing the oil money for themselves.

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    #1.10 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

    When I was in college I did a speech on the Rainforest in the Amazon and a few others. I believe that what I studied that the forest are being destroyed by machines & people. I really think that these forests should be protected to a certain point in usage. It was very interesting to do this speech because I think that these forests are being over used.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

    I'm sure they'll do the jobs that Americans won't!

      #1.12 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

      Americans keep talking about him as a dictator when in fact Chavez is more of a Robin Hood fighting the Powers That Be. That's why he's always been ahead in the polls and is expected to win the presidential elections this October 7th.

      Oooh, so that's why Chavez "nationalized" all the radio stations in the country huh? And then shut down the ones that talked bad about him? Yeah, sounds like a great leader there!

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      #1.13 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:12 PM EDT
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      Comment author avatarxXx3nV1R0nM3nT@l1$txXxExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      What a load of garbage; they're all set up! Same tactics they used for the moon landing! Fake!

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      Reply#2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:54 AM EDT
      Comment author avatarRuppert JenkinsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      They all look like they need some widescreen TV and some beers, big time.

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      Reply#3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:04 AM EDT

      All I can say is, if these people are living a fulfilling existence without interference from the likes of people like us, we should leave them alone!! We have no right to interfere with their way of life...PERIOD!! And that goes for Religious Hippocrates especially!!

      • 17 votes
      Reply#4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:06 AM EDT

      The government of Venezuela is socialist. Are you calling socialism a religion?

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      #4.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:11 AM EDT

      Rosieklpn, Hippocrates was a Greek physician who lived around 400BC. I also don't see how your post about religious hypocrites has anything to do with an article about a group of Brazilian coal miners who allegedly attacked this tribe (see the original article for more info).

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      #4.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:26 AM EDT

      Rosieklpn: Hippocrates was a Greek physician. The oath all doctors take, including, "Above all, do no harm..." are his words. The word you wanted is hypocrites.

      You mean well, but you should know that as we consume so much of the planet's resources every year that half cannot be replenished by nature, we are actually contributing to the erosion of their lives. Google how much of the Amazon rainforest has been and is being destroyed. These communities take very little from their environment, but we consume everything. The multinational corporate agenda is, in fact, destroying the planet as a human habitat.

      Nature will do just fine. But we humans have consistently shown what an evolutionary mistake we've been. Animals know better than to destroy their habitat, and they don't make war or commit genocide. We think we're so great, yet we're only beginning to realize we're not the only species with feeling, sentiment, thought, or language.

      Two years ago, scientists 'discovered' chimps understand death. At the same time, we had a hummingbird in our front yard whose hatchlings died--she sat on a twig just above the nest all day for three months, inconsolable. Removing the nest didn't help or get her eating to strength again. Finally we took down the tree so she might live. Last year she made no nest. This year, she tried again, and her fledglings are now adults, with two new trees. Now scientists are 'learning' dolphins have a sophisticated language, but we're still using military sonar that deafens whales and kills dolphins--for war games. My guess? Dolphins are laughing at us when we're not slaughtering them, one way or another.

      Maybe our species will last less than 3 minutes in geological time. And maybe that will be just fine for earth, and her next evolutionary experiment.

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      #4.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:49 AM EDT

      Bob - I think Rosieklpn was referring to missionaries (Mormons) who do more harm than good to tribes.

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      #4.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 3:55 AM EDT

      Rosie, And they don't need to be bothered by a bunch or nimcompoop liberals who "Just want to help" either

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      #4.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:24 AM EDT

      @ Dee Turner.

      Animals do commit genocide. It is not uncommon for a male bear to kill the unrelated cubs of a female as to not compete with his own offspring. Wolves are known to kill whole flocks of sheep as some sort of game. I have a dog that will run down rabbits and kill them as a sport of sorts but falls all over himself when he sees a cat (He likes cats and lives with one). So yes they do kill for reasons other than food.

      • 5 votes
      #4.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:32 AM EDT

      Rosieklpn,

      Keep your preaching to yourself.

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      #4.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

      When the west and China want resources they could care less about people of any country. As Romney says who cares about the planet. Really smart since with out a planet to live on what is our kids future? Humanities day of reckoning is coming due to never dealing with overpopulation and I blame stupid religious. Oh, I guess we can hide behind religion for day a rapture too.

        #4.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

        I am so fed up with and absolutely disguted by the media and press. They can't leave things like this alone....live and let live. They are so sickeningly desperate for ratings they will sell their souls for a story. We can all think of hundreds of examples of the destruction they've perpetrated and lives they've ruined all in the name of a dollar, or Euro, or whatever. This is a perfect example of that...along with the leaks from our Spec Ops community in this country they have been so quick to publish. Our reporters and media have lost their souls and have nothing to be proud of...other than a very few honorable souls in the field....David Gregory, Joe Scarbourough, Dexter Filkins.

          #4.9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

          Rosieklpn: Hippocrates was a Greek physician. The oath all doctors take, including, "Above all, do no harm..." are his words. The word you wanted is hypocrites.

          Who's to say that Hippocrates was not hypocritical? Lance Armstrong DOES have strong arms. See?

            #4.10 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:49 AM EDT

            Gee whiz

            ! all right already! I used the word correction thing and that's what it gave so I clicked on it...Gee, Don't get so whacked out over it! You knew exactly what I meant...didn't you?

              #4.11 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:10 AM EDT

              Lovely photos but they often misrepresent what really goes on in tribal groups. I'm unfamiliar with tribes in Venezuela but I'm sure they're much like tribes in Colombia, my adopted country. Sexual abuse on females begins as soon as they're potty trained. Infection from female genital mutilation kills two or three tribal infants every year. The tribal women (mostly Embera) who live in Bogotá are required to beg on the streets, barefoot (Bogotá is cold year round), often with babies on their laps. You NEVER see men begging. The women near my house bear signs of abuse, girls are kept out of school to beg with their mothers while their brothers go to school, learn to read and write in Spanish.

              "if these people are living a fulfilling existence" -- is a typical opinion of people who don't know much.

                #4.12 - Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:26 PM EDT
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                Wow, that looks really remote. Where do they get their baseball caps and fabric from?

                • 6 votes
                Reply#5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:15 AM EDT

                The local Walmart, down the trail a bit. LOL

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                #5.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:24 AM EDT

                That's a stupid question. They order online.

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                #5.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:24 AM EDT

                Steve-0 95829

                That's a stupid question. They order online.

                Yup! Like Bill-2967979 said, they order from Amazon.com

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                #5.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:21 AM EDT
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                They actually order from Amazon!

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                Reply#6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:46 AM EDT

                That first picture taken from probably a helicopter sure looks CGI to me. It's probably real, but the people just look off....

                • 2 votes
                Reply#7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:00 AM EDT

                I agree, something looks odd about the aerial photo. It looks like a model.

                  #7.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:57 AM EDT

                  I was all set to disagree, but yeah, the people look like plastic figures. The look of the trees made me search for Lionel train tracks. I would totally say fake!

                    #7.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:58 AM EDT
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                    There's a big bag of processed rice in one of the pictures and in another someone is feeding the kid chewed-up food. Also they are wearing manufactured shirts and hats. What's all that about? Are they on welfare? Sure looks like they live in squallor.

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                    Reply#8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 3:40 AM EDT

                    They live in squalor, really? This is how YOUR ancestors lived for over 2 million years -- off the land, making their own clothes and living in homes made of whatever mother nature made available.

                    The reason they even have these things is because, like Chimps, the males of our species are not content to live on the land they have and will commit any sort of violence to get more, and the females of our species will go along with it as long as the kids are eating.

                    You and I are no different and no better. If we had left them alone, they would have done just fine without any of these things. They would have even had their inter-village wars and still survived just fine.

                    • 3 votes
                    #8.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:53 AM EDT

                    I'm sure that there's a trading post somewhere, where they get their clothes and fabric, trading with some fish or some other harvest or artwork. Looks like they have a favorite color, or that the bolt of red was on sale.

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                    #8.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

                    The reason they even have these things is because, like Chimps, the males of our species are not content to live on the land they have and will commit any sort of violence to get more, and the females of our species will go along with it as long as the kids are eating.

                    You missed the part where humans adapt to their environment by using their minds, and the part where the value of life increases when a culture is not living on the brink of death.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

                    My boss does some missionary work in the Amazon. They take clothes and a few other goods to disperse among the tribe.White man would be killed in many "uncivilized" villages like this, but the people in the villages that he is able to visit would not be harmed because they are familiar and dark skinned and speak similar language.

                      #8.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:23 AM EDT
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                      I don't get what happened or why people were killed. So it is that the village is now empty and people who used to live there are now gone. I guess some thing happened to the people there. Maybe it is a way of killing the people there by taking away the bodies for some reason. You might get away with it better or something.

                        Reply#9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 3:44 AM EDT

                        What do you think happened,They were all taken to moron compound in Texas, so Mitty could get more votes .Look folks there is no true tribe that has not been touched by modern world. I think it would truly benefit the world if there was away we could see there customs,and not interfere with them. Who knows maybe we could gain from there insight.

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                        Reply#10 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:24 AM EDT

                        The appearance of the Venezuelan-flag clothing and the doubts of some human rights groups, not to mention the heavy-handed brutality of the Cuban-inspired Chavez Regime does raise some questions about a possible coverup. Amazonian Indians willing to pose in another location should be not too hard to find, and the lure of wealth as well as the documented corruption of the Chavez government really leave some room for doubt.

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                        Reply#11 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:36 AM EDT

                        Interesting observations. You may be onto something there.

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                        #11.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:06 AM EDT
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                        Are we serious? Yanomami Indian? Did we not, as an educated culture, teach our progeny the difference between Native Americans and Indians?

                        As a Native American, I am ashamed that this was published as is. I honestly thought these times were behind us. Shame on you, NBCnews.com.

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                        Reply#12 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:39 AM EDT

                        Get a life Army nurse

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                        #12.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:04 AM EDT

                        Unfortunately the use of the term Indian has been used to describe many native people, especially in the Americas.

                        I try to avoid using the term because it seems insulting to proliferate the ignorance of Christopher Columbus centuries later and deny Native Americans the right to be called what they actually are. That should have been corrected a long time ago.

                        • 1 vote
                        #12.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:59 AM EDT

                        Many native american tribes label themselves as Indians

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                        #12.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:46 AM EDT
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                        i seriously hope all the comments here from the peanut gallery are jokes , because if they are not it just continues to prove Americana are some of the dumbest people in the world ,simply because they know nothing of the whole of the outside world... Americans greatness to some ,means the don't have to give a crap about understanding other people and cultures in the world ...basically why they are so duped by idiot politicians who lie to them about who the good guys are and who the bad guys are...

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                        Reply#13 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:21 AM EDT

                        I hope the other countries leave this people alone, seems to me that they are the smart ones. they just want to live the way they live. in PEACE.

                          #13.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:50 AM EDT
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                          Nice, where did all the natives get the new RED T-shirts and strips of red cloth???

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                          Reply#14 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:22 AM EDT

                          From Papa Hugo, of course. He's running for president again, ya know?

                          Viva Hugo Chavez - 6 more years!

                          Eat your heart out - AmeriKKKa!!!

                            #14.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:49 AM EDT
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                            Dee Turner... If humanoids are so evil we should cease to exist, maybe all the idiots who are advocating that should be the first to volunteer to commit hara-kiri. Then bambi and the pythons and the scorpions can battle it out without us evil humanoids. But the, of course some humanoids, including you and your friends and family, should be allowed to continue to be here and enjoy watching the little innocent animals devour each other in a "natural" way.

                              Reply#15 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:38 AM EDT

                              The pictures mean nothing.. The story means nothing. This has been going on for years...To the Government, the resources are worth more than the people. Why would they report a massacre and put themselves under diplomatic pressure. It's a slow extermination very similar to what happened in the US between the 1600's and 1800's.. Food for the thought.. Yes humanoids are capable of evil...

                              The remoteness of the region - and the nomadic habits of the Yanomami tribe - make it unlikely officials could have reached the exact spot where the attack was reported to have taken place, they said. Even natives, they point out, take days to move among settlements in the region.

                              http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-03/news/sns-rt-us-venezuela-amazon-tribebre88300i-20120903_1_yanomami-gold-miners-rights-groups

                              http://www.alternet.org/environment/resource-wars-connect-amazon-massacre-and-shells-arctic-drilling

                                Reply#16 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

                                Must be the place to live. They sure don't have an obesity problem like we do!!

                                  Reply#17 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

                                  Wow that hunk of tobacco that lady had in her mouth, oh that would kill anybody else. You'ld have to chew in large mouth fulls just to put up with reality down there. I'm not ready to live off the earth, i'm a wimp for civilized man i guess. I own a small woods and i don't go out there and enjoy it like i thought i would when i bought it. I let the Amish neighbors take a couple trees and they harvest it for maple syrup in the spring, and i just enjoy the fact i can share the nature with them. It would be to bad to loose these people from the face of the earth, they offer to much insight as to how one lives with nature at its trueist level. Man of the Earth! Bless them!

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                                  Reply#18 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:14 AM EDT

                                  Before anyone lets their emotions rule their logic and gets nostalgic to return to mother nature to live, notice that there aren't any old people in the pictures.

                                  If you're over 40, you probably are not around anymore.

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                                  #18.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:31 AM EDT

                                  Amen Pilgrim. "I am surprised the predatory Golden Sachs Jews haven't stolen the jungle form the indigenious people and then 'leased it back to them at 400% interest! LOL! This is what they are doing to the Palestinian people. They steal the aquifer resources (water) and then sell the water back at 'Predatory Jews' prices and the beat goes on - and if the Palestinians resist the 'wonderful' Great Satan send's the predator Jews billions in F-16s, 'illegal white phosphorus and cluster bomblet munitions, along with Apache helicopters 'loaded for bear' with Hellfire antitank missles to 'defend themselves with!' God bless the UNITED SNAKES (US/Israel) truly staunch (All men are created equal - well, almost.) democracies. Pssst, hey Messer Ahmadinejad, hurry up with that leased U-Haul Paki nuke, ya hear?!!!

                                    #18.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                                    AZCowBoy: You don't sound like a 'cowboy',..you sound like a 'camel-boy',..is that you Hasan?,..Abdullah??,...Amed?,....Amir?...tell me if I'm getting warm.

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                                    #18.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:02 AM EDT
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                                    Yup, this is Hugo Chavez country (Remember, he's the terrible guy that kicked out Exxon-Mobile, Shell and the rest of the Western 'Robber Baron' oil/gas thieves that sucked up billions of barrel's of Venezuelan oil over decades and then refused to pay a nickel in royalties - until 'Ol Hugo kccked their butts out - but, not before collecting all the stolen billions. This is Hugo Chavez who kicked out the predatory World Bank and IMF who had been raping these tiny impotent countries for decades. Hugo has opened up BancoSur and now the Latina America countries are no longer beholden to the Great Satan for 'nada.' Get it 'nada!' Yassar, fu*k the gringo's and their predatory lending ways and 'Onward Papa Hugo, saviour of Latina America!!!!

                                      Reply#19 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

                                      Nice rant. How about a relevant comment on this story, if you can conjure one up.

                                        #19.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:21 AM EDT
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                                        TheAZCowBoy, Tombstone,AZ.: It's amazing what a guy with rectal syphilis can accomplish,..Hugo Chavez that is,..not you.

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                                        Reply#20 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

                                        OK,....so who gave us these FALSE reports?.....

                                          Reply#21 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:06 AM EDT

                                          Nice photos, and no censorship of "native" breasts anymore. Looks like Western society has grown up a little.

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                                          Reply#22 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

                                          I lived and worked in Venezuela in 1981 . I worked on the lambagasa oil platform on lake Marakibo . the country had nationalize long before Hugo came to power. They had done that back in the 50s . And from my point of view He ain't that bad of guy he just has a way of saying things that piss off most brain washed people. And if you don't think you are brain washed just leave the U.S. for a while then come back and you will be flabber gassed at what you realize from then on. At the time I was in S.America Anwan Sadat was shot in Egypt and I watched it down there I flew back to the states the day after and saw it on tv here . It looked like two different storys. Down there they don't censor the news like they do here. If some thing happens that is what you are shown. When I was there I flew into an Indian village on a helo and stayed for a few days .It was like turning the clock back 10000yrs. I saw a guy coming into the village with a monkey hanging off his back .I asked what is he doing with that monkey ? the pilot laughed at me and said that is his dinner for tonight. When you see things with your own eyes rather than some one tell you about it that is when you know what is what.

                                            Reply#23 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                                            Awfully permanent looking structures for a "nomadic" people. If the government is claiming this, it's wrong. What else is wrong?

                                              Reply#24 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                                              they do not look so isolated;one guy has on his head a baseball cap,another has shirt of the country. yes,and a bag of rice sitting in one of the pictures. but the one lady does not have enough cloth to cover the boob! really,isolated! lol

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                                              Reply#25 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:13 AM EDT
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