Mitt Romney's English roots surprise long-lost cousins

Dylan Martinez / Reuters

Mid morning sun shines on Dalton-in-Furness, northwestern England on September 26, 2012. Relatives of U.S. presidential candidate Mitt Romney were born and bred here in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Dylan Martinez / Reuters

A sign for Romney Road is seen on a street in Dalton-in-Furness. Not many people would associate Romney with Britain but it was in these rain-soaked plains of northern England that his ancestors lived for generations, converted to Mormonism and left for the U.S. in 1841 in search of the promised land.

Reuters reports from Barrow-in-Furness, England — Mitt Romney's fight to become America's next president has the backing of one enthusiastic group of supporters, although they don't actually have a vote: his relatives in England.

Few associate the Republican candidate with Britain but it was in England's industrial northwest that his ancestors lived for generations and converted to Mormonism before leaving for the United States in 1841 in search of the promised land.

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It was a bold escape for a family of lowly carpenters. By sailing for the New World they took a step that eventually brought the Romney clan to the fore of American politics.

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Jennie Iveson, aged 69, poses with family photographs inside her terraced home in Barrow-in-Furness. Jennie is Mitt Romney's fourth cousin.

Records show that Jennie Iveson is Mitt Romney's fourth cousin - they share a great-great-great grandfather, George Romney, who died in 1859. And now she can't help but notice that her distant American relative does bear a striking family resemblance.

"I saw him on the telly twice the other day, last week I think. He looks a bit like my brother," said Iveson, a retired factory worker, most of whose children have no jobs.

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Jennie Iveson poses outside her terraced home in Barrow-in-Furness. Her distant cousin Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest Americans ever to run for the White House. Today, Washington's backrooms of power and intrigue are as far removed from the daily grind of his distant kin in Lancashire as one can imagine.

Dylan Martinez / Reuters

Simon Nash, his wife Maria and their 12-year-old daughter Sarah pose inside their home in Preston. Maria is Mitt Romney's fourth cousin, twice removed. Asked if she would like to meet Romney in the White House, Maria said "I think it would be very surreal. I would like to go there for a brew (cup of tea) if he ever got in there."

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An original baptism record shows details of some of Mitt Romney's clan who were born and bred in the parish of Preston.

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Mormons attend a service at a church beside the Preston England Temple in Chorley, Europe's biggest Mormon temple, September 26, 2012.

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Comment author avatarHobbes' NotesExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Long lost relatives? They obviously aren't wealthy, that's why they are long and lost to the Mittster.

  • 42 votes
#1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:04 AM EDT
Comment author avatarGeorge Hayduke SrExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Kind of like Barry's brother George, who lives in poverty in Kenya... virtually abandoned by his American President relative! And what about Barry' Aunt in Florida... also abandoned and jobless!

And such outrage over a distant cousin of Romney's LOL... such hypocrisy!

  • 51 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:46 AM EDT

plus who would own a con artist and crook

  • 10 votes
#1.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

My grandparents came from Italy, didn't know any of those relatives until my wife and I went back to the village near Genoa (grandfather's birthplace) 3 years ago and found them. They didn't feel abandoned by us and we didn't feel abanoned by them, but had a good time exchanging stories.

You libbies are so phoney to get in a hissy fit about a long lost cousin of Romney's, lol! You probably don't have anything else to do! Oh, maybe you're waiting to get your obamabucks check today! That must be it!

  • 34 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

Kinda like Obama's brother back in Kenya, right?

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

@Dead, Nikki, George, & Hobbes'...
If you wait long enough, your free telephone and checks from your Messiah, Obama will arrive in the mail...NOT!

Surprisingly so, we all have long-lost relatives that turn up at the most interesting times...social status shouldn't bother us who don't make a federal case about it...

According to the interviews, Mr Romney's English relatives have NOT begrudged him for his financial position, albeit, his relatives emigrated to the USA over 170 years ago in search of a better life...
Many decided to remain in England, where they are satisfied and comfortable, and not complaining...

  • 11 votes
#1.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

Rupert Murdoch owns both the Fox News and The Washington Post. But the Washinton Post referred to the movie about President Obama's unfamiliar family as an "infomercial". It's just bizarre that people will pay for such non-sense.

So what if he has a half-brother that he's probably met 1-2 times in his life. Those of you who preach about personal responsibility really don't have any place to preach to a man or a President about how he chooses to spend his time or energy. I would prefer that our President continue to have his children, wife, and country as priority. The brother has his own life in a country that our President was not elected.

I can't believe people would pay money for an "infomercial". Lame brained. "A fool and his money are soon parted" is an appropriate quote by Thomas Tusser.

  • 10 votes
#1.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

What about taco bender's mexican father show where he grew up ... PLEASE !

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:31 AM EDT

@mother, I would agree with you that it is not Obama's reponsibility to take care of a 1/2 brother in Africa.... except that the same man is running a campaign all about redistrubing the wealth to help the down and out. If he really felt that way he would redistribute his health, but that is not his goal he wants to redistribute everyone's elses money to people and causes that benfit him. Our gonverment is too big and while I don't think Romney will do enough to reduce it, at least he won't continue to grow it at the current president's rate.

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

congoman; a large amount of Mormons moved to Mexico, during the very fierce Mormon wars with each other and outsiders, there is still a large Mormon population in Mexico, it was not until Utah became a State that things started to settle down, P.S. Tacos are border food, real Mexican food is more European Spanish.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:50 AM EDT
Comment author avatarWhy?-3122622Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Reasons to fear Willard Romney.

Do want a person who believes he is God to be President.

Williard believes when he dies, because he is a baptized Mormon
he will become a God! So no matter what he does or says he will simply have to
say he is sorry to God when he dies to become a God.

Willard Believes Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we
were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p.
321)"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits
enthroned in yonder heavens!!!

God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price,
p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428)

After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of
becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)Then
shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject
unto them," (D&C 132:20).

There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit
children.(Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our
sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses,
vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

"ChristNot Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was
begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was
God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Smith, 1954, 1:18).

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration,
there would be no salvation (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by
Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of
God;(Miracle of Forgiveness p. 206).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our
sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses,
vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a
prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188

"As these sins are the result of individual acts it is
just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance
with prescribed requirements 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the
Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p.79). Another words Man forgives you.

"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and
the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in
one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one
God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God
in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a
monster," (Joseph Smith, Teachings, p. 372).

Do want a person who believes he is God to be President.

Taken from Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry carm.org

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:31 PM EDT

Why?-3122622, you are suspended for a week for comment spamming and violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.

Knock it off.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

Congoman, you are a true racist, and you obama lovers go on about everyone else being racist. Why, if you think that is so bad, how do you like having a muslim for president who thinks he can contol everything we do and doesn't believe in God??? I suppose you are waing for your free handouts and that is why you have so much time to post such an exclusive post as you did...get a life..

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

I probably have lots of relatives from England that are fourth, fifth, sixth cousins, etc. I am not wealthy and do not know any of them, and if I were, I probably still would not know them. People from this country come from different other countries and all walks of life. I have been told some of my ancestors from England came over here and settled in Maryland. I do not know if this is true, and I am not one to do genealogy, although I typed one for a Superintendent of the school system when I was a senior in high school. Quite boring, I thought.

    #1.14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:09 PM EDT
    Red_CloudDeleted

    Hobbes' Notes

    Long lost relatives? They obviously aren't wealthy, that's why they are long and lost to the Mittster.

    How many 4th cousins three times removed, ways parted from a different country since pre Civil War times do you know ?

    Zombies serve no function and should be shot.



    Romney / Ryan for prosperity 2012

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 6:36 PM EDT
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    Please do a story on Obamas long lost cousins.......... in the other country........the ones without jobs.......

    how bout it???

    • 46 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:14 AM EDT

    well he will not claim any Mexican background , because even though Daddy was born in Mexico his parents were American citizens. So maybe he will claim English heritage now. Do Brits vote or can vote in our elections? Didn't think so. Plus bet they all belong to the labor party.

    Hey they never stop doing stories about Obama's family ,over there as you say, or where he was Born , or where the aunt lives, or what his wife wares or his children do. Get a life guy.

    • 15 votes
    #2.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:18 AM EDT
    Comment author avatarMickey-1983943Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Night Hawk,

    "well he will not claim any Mexican background , because even though Daddy was born in Mexico his parents were American citizens. So maybe he will claim English heritage now. Do Brits vote or can vote in our elections? Didn't think so. Plus bet they all belong to the labor party."

    Maybe you can get a birther movement started about Romney. I wonder if his relatives are as psychologically dysfunctional as he is.

    • 14 votes
    #2.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:21 AM EDT

    Romney has five grandmothers. One of them might be Mexican? His one son that speaks Spanish is definitely of Mexican heritage.

    And what is the big deal with English heritage. Isn't that were most of us came from in the 1600/1700s. Of course, there were Frenchmen, Germans, Dutch, Russians and Muslims also. Except for the Blacks and the Native Americans we can all say. Oh, I'm so surprised. We all probably have cousins, how many times removed, in England, etc.

    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

    Why so many have to waste their time to put others down.Does it worth their time and silly emotions. its obvious lots of people are unschooled about the diverse society we live in. Get up and go get alife and stop dissing others

    • 7 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

    There is a pretty good movie about Obama's past. It's called 2016, The Obama Story. Obama's brother from a different mother (or is it brother from a different father?) Frank, is interviewed! When asked if he held any resentment for being abandoned by Barry, Frank shrugged and said being President makes his brother very busy to worry about his relatives in Kenya! (like golfing, vacations, spending $1.4 billion of our money on himself, etc)

    • 29 votes
    #2.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:57 AM EDT

    Mickey-1983943

    No interest here on a birther movement on Romney or anyone else. That is so....how do you say it? Making a fool of ones self.

    Bill T from USA

    What does it matter ( other than to sell tabloids) what obama or anyone else for that matter do ,feel or how they inter reacted with their families? The Obama 2016 was informative to the uninformed that spent money to see it.

    • 7 votes
    #2.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:14 AM EDT

    The President cannot help the fact that he was born in the United States, and had Grandparents who loved him. His relatives in Kenya, he NEVER had a relationship with them, nor them with him. Please, give me a break with that nonsense. The President is a man, who didn't have a Father growing up, and I have to say, he turned out pretty well. So screw his long-lost relatives because the President can't help the fact that his fathered spread his seed in Kenya. He can only be a good husband and a good father to his family. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he values his wife and children so much. It takes someone liked President Obama to understand my story, and the President is a good representation of NOT following in his Sperm Donors footsteps, because he was NEVER a father to him.

    • 8 votes
    #2.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

    Yes...how about interviewing Obammie's uncle and auntie...especially his auntie who is in the New England area, living there illegally, and has refused to comply with deportation orders...
    Then...when finding out, Obammie stepped in and personally put a stop to her deportation...abuse of authority...

    • 8 votes
    #2.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

    AND MITTS mexican relatives !!!

    • 4 votes
    #2.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

    Well, Anne, Romney has never known his English relatives. What's your point? Is it somehow bad that Romney doesn't know all of his relatives personally, but it's somehow good that Obama doesn't know all of his relatives personally? Sheesh.

    I don't know all of my relatives personally, either. As I've researched my family tree, I can understand why my mother told me to be careful who I dated as a teenager- she said we were related to at least half the county. We had moved into an area where our ancestors had lived for nearly 200 years; we knew many of the living relatives, but not all of them. Daughters marry, and surnames change. As it turns out, I have many more cousins than I had ever imagined. It doesn't mean that I abandoned them.

    • 6 votes
    #2.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

    I'd rather they do a profile on Obama's Aunt in Boston. Who up until recently was living here Illegally, and is living on welfare.

    Now THAT is profile I'd like to see done.

    • 4 votes
    #2.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

    What is the purpose of this story? He already has most of the white vote. I thought he was so busy trying to connect to his "mexican heritage" for the spanish vote. He is such a bigot and 2 faced loser. May all his family kiss my red white and blue a$$

    • 1 vote
    #2.12 - Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:19 AM EDT
    Reply

    I find this info amusing. I believe the Mexican relatives are genealogically closer aren't they? Who cares for long lost relatives that won't contribute to the formation of principles and character.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:37 AM EDT

    Yes and if Mitt does win he can have his relatives ...... mow the lawn at the White House.

    • 6 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

    Not defending Romney, just saying ... There really are no Mexican relatives. Romney's great-grandparents were polygamists who fled to Mexico when the Federal government started prosecuting polygamy. They lived in Mormon "colonies", spoke only English, and had only minimal contact with the indigenous people. Any Mormon who even talked to a Mexican risked the danger of being ejected from the colony and shunned.

    Romney's grandfather was born in Mexico, but married a woman from Utah. They were "soto" polygamists after the "vision" of 1890 abolished polygamy. That is, Romney's grandfather had one "civil" marriage in 1895 in Mexico and multiple "associations" or "sister-wives" that were extremely difficult to track down (odd given the Mormon penchant for geneology.) That is not at all unusual because most of the ranking men in the several Mormon colonies in Mexico were polygamists and the 1890 vision caught them by surprise. The practice was slow to go away and there was a lot of "cooking the books" in order to try to demonstrate marriage to American citizens when all Mormons were expelled from Mexico in 1912.

    Georgr Romney (Romney's father) was born in Mexico of one American-born parent (though there is some small doubt of that) and along with his siblings and the rest of the family illegally re-entered the US. They essentially drove across the border at an unmanned checkpoint at night and simply claimed to be American citizens. The Mormons simply had to do it that way because they could not declare multiple marriages to prove citizenship.

    The Mormons, including Romney's father and grandparents were eventually incarcerated in what would now be called a concentration camp in El Paso, Texas. They were refused all state aid and at that time most other aid came from religious groups (who did not consider Mormons Christians) and their circumstances were dire. Eventually Congress set up a "bailout" fund to feed them. They were viewed with distrust by both Anglo and Latino people in Texas and eventually most moved away as the Mormon Church in Utah assisted them. (George Romney's life-long nickname was "Mex.")

    The Mormons pretty have it both ways wiuth this story. They claim that Romneys parents and grandparents were monogamous, but also claim multiple "baptisms" of wives for Romney's grandfather. Considering that the Mexican Mormon colonies were founded by polygamists and that people remained there because they either favored polygamy or were, as a minimum, not offended by it, it is very likely that Romney did indeed have six (five parents of his father and one of his mother) grandparents. However, the lack of records when George Romney and his parents illegally re-entered the US and the wierd geneology of the Mormon Church have made it almost impossible to prove.

    This was very heavily discussed when George Romney ran for President himself as a LIBERAL Republican. There was considerable discussion that he was not eligible to run because he was not "natural born." His supporters pointed to a 1937 law that supposedly conferred retroactive citizenship. But Romney dropped his "Great in '68" campaign before the issue was resolved. Most people at the time thought he was eligible.

    Hope that helps. Romney is very reticent to discuss his Mormon roots or his religion. He is the only candidate to seek a federal court injunction to prevent reporters (particularly MTV) from asking about "any clothing not normally visible as "street clothes."" (The case was tossed out as a classic example of prior restraint.)

    • 5 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:41 AM EDT
    Red_CloudDeleted

    Good answer and very accurate info Chris. I was born and raised Mormon and only recently stopped attending meetings (still a member of record as far as I know). Too bad more people don't really know or seemingly care to know what it is that the church believes and teaches so they can know who they are really voting for.

    • 3 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

    Funny Chris, my mother was born in the Mormon Colonies in 1914 and she did not come to America until she was 14. My Grandfather was not a polygamist. Concentration camp in El Paso, what the hell are you talking about. The ONLY thing you got correct is the fact that Romney is not Hispanic!

    • 4 votes
    #4.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:20 AM EDT

    I hate politics, and am not a fan of either candidate, but is it interesting that all the posts on here (mainly form the left) are pointing out faults in Romney that very easily apply to their candidate also. Romney has poor relatives in England and Obama has poor relatives in Kenya. The mormon faith has a history of violence and misguided beliefs while Obama's muslim faith (just admit it) has a recent history of violence and misguided beliefs. I sure am glad Jehovah God appoints rulers for his purposes. God bless America and forgive us for our screwed up ways.

    • 2 votes
    #4.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

    @Fedup,

    By 1914 the Mexican Revolution had settled down in northern Mexico. Pancho Villa was still a force, but he was more interested in challenging the Federales instead of the Mormons and was in prison when the actual 1912 exodus took place. In fact, when Pershing led US troops into Mexico, one of the stated reasons was to protect the American citizens in the Mormon colonias.

    The really odd thing about polygamy is that a calculator will tell you that for every additional wife in a Mormon community, that meant that one male was left without prospects. Only high-status Mormons practiced polygamy. Low status Mormons practiced masturbation. Romney's grandparents were high status because one of his grandmothers was a descendent of Parley Pratt. Your calculator would tell you that most Mormons in Mexico (who originally fled there to avoid prosecution for polygamy) did not practice polygamy. Marriage was reserved for the high-status Mormons only. So the bottom line is that for Mormons there were far more believers in polygamy than practitioners of polygamy.

    Polygamy is still practiced in the LDS church far more than people realize. While there are LDS sects that practice it openly, many more people continue to practice "soto" (soft) polygamy and it is viurtually impossible to prosecute. Modern Mormons who practice polygamy marry only one wife legally and any "sister wives" are either consecrated openly in the case of polygamous sects, or more often with an extra-church exchange of marriage vows. Even this is difficult to track because Mormons routinely "correct" vital records (birth, death, marriage, baptism) to link people to the Mormon church and especially to link women to men so they can get a good seat in heaven. That's how millions of names of people who lived before Mormonism was even invented got to be "Mormons." For example, all the signers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution have been "baptised" as Mormons along with millions of others. I was dismayed to find that my father (who died in 1960) is listed as a Mormon in their database. I douibt that he had even heard of the LDS church.

    The term "concentration camp" was my own. It was actually an abandoned lumberyard with a railroad siding. It was surroun ded by high board fences and barbed wire. It was called "The Lumber Yard." Mormon refugees were taken directly from trains to the refugee camp. They were only allowed into El Paso under armed guard, supposedly for their own protection. They were encouraged to leave the state and most did. (El Paso still has one of the largest Mormon communities in the state with many tracing their ancestry directly back to the Lumber Yard.) The Mormons mostly fled with only the clothes on their back.

    But the refugees in the Lumber Yard had problems. The state of Texas refused to give them any aid and the churches shunned them as "non-Christian." Many had no documentation to prove US citizenship because of the tangles of polygamy and the LDS Church's strange geneology. They were literally starving to death. Congress stepped in and set up a $100,000 fund (a huge sum of money at that time) to feed them. So it looks like the Romney started their life in this country at the public teat.

    Here is a picture of Mormons at The Lumber Yard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/3738805579/in/photostream/

    The City of El Paso actually had a major museum show back in July that was about the Mormon exodus from Mexico and their maltreatment at the hands of Texans. Here is a link to a University of Texas at El Paso site that was created for the centennial of the Lunber Yard:http://www.research.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=69697

    Maybe one of the reasons you are "fed up" is that you don't take the time to read or research.

    • 2 votes
    #4.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:35 PM EDT

    Who cares for long lost relatives? Why then did they make such a production over the fact that Obama is "Supposedly" related to the first black slave in this country?

    Most of us have long lost relatives we've never met. Like Mr. Romney, I have long lost relatives in England I have never met and probably never will.

      #4.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:34 PM EDT
      Reply

      @Gordon ... get a life!

      Yes, we can ! Yes, we MUST! OBAMA 2012!!!!!! And Vote straight BLUE!

      • 14 votes
      Reply#5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:46 AM EDT

      There is NOTHING wrong with being English nothing at all. My mother was English and my father Austrian thank God I am more like my mother than my father because my father was so warlike I hated him because he had NO love in his heart. But my mother was a kinder gentler person and I took after her and not like warlike unloving person like my father.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:58 AM EDT

      Carol, are you whining this beautiful morning? Or are you trying to convince yourself who you take after?

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:52 AM EDT

      slightlymoldy, go bully someone else.. or get a life (or better yet get a job!)!

      Can't wait to see Romney/Ryan help you with that, so you can stop living off the obama handouts! hehehe!

      • 19 votes
      #6.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:05 AM EDT
      Reply

      "converted to Mormonism before leaving for the United States". He was probably chucked out of England for being too stupid, after converting to Mormonism.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:08 AM EDT

      ah, a tolerant liberal.

      • 13 votes
      #7.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:26 AM EDT

      In fairness to those early converts, I think they saw Joseph smith's pitch as an improvement in this life and certainly in the afterlife. Neither the C of E nor any evangelical sects gave any hope of continuing to live closeness with relatives after death. The dead are supposed to focus on God . The idea of chatting with Granma or your numerous dead children is comforting, but that cosy picture is touted in pop culture, not the orthodox faiths.

      Take a look at Samuel Morris Brown's recent book In Heaven As It Is On Earth" Joseph Smith And the Early Mormon Conquest of Death. Brown doesn't ignore smith's shady activities but is sympathetic to his desire to construct a theology that offered more comfort than anything current in his time and place. The desire to assure continuing family structures though Eternity were the result of smith's brother's death, which affected him profoundly, according to Brown.

      I don't have any patience with the LDS but understand the attraction of this part of the theology.

      • 2 votes
      #7.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:33 AM EDT
      Reply

      let me get this straight: Mitt wanted his parents to be Mexicans so he could win the presidency, but he wants to make sure voters know he's REALLY English, and oh by the way, here's an old video of that angry black guy from 2007.

      Romney campaign seems to love this "race of Race". Works for him. Ask Scott Brown and Pete Hoekstra.

      • 9 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:22 AM EDT

      newsgirl24,

      "he wants to make sure voters know he's REALLY English, and oh by the way"

      Romney wants everyone to know he is a good old WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), those upper-crust people who have always run this country, up until now, that is.

      • 8 votes
      #8.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:37 AM EDT

      nothingnewsworthygirl, what a waste of cyberspace this comment is.

      • 5 votes
      #8.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:20 AM EDT

      Good to see others identify this as a Race gambit.

      • 5 votes
      #8.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

      If this story were a race gambit Romney would push the fact that he has quasi-Mexican roots. It would yield far bigger numbers that would come at Obama's expense. The author is simply a person who likes genealogy and thought it would make an interesting story. And it is.

        #8.4 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

        my thoughts too. Idiot. Anybody with 2 eyes can see whats he is trying to do. Cloud everyone.

          #8.5 - Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:31 AM EDT
          Reply

          The Dems that post here amaze me. The church continues to push liberalism as a way to end hate. All I read here is hate. Maybe the Republicans hate less. Hummmm.

          • 10 votes
          Reply#9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:23 AM EDT

          No the Repubs hate more. Hate is al that is spewed from the mouths of Repubs. Take a gander at Facebook. Christians Against Obama hateful stuff and that is from "supposed Christians"

          • 8 votes
          #9.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:48 AM EDT

          Please... if a truth is said about Obama you call it hate!

          • 5 votes
          #9.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:29 AM EDT
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          This is no surprise to a lot of people, mainly to those who were Michigan residents during the time Mitt's dad was governor. I've known this for a long time. What's the big fuss for? Don't many of us have north European relatives going back a century or so? As Garfield would say, "Big fat hairy deal!"

          • 12 votes
          Reply#11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:29 AM EDT

          Why does name calling have to be part of politics? Just because someone sees different than you do does not make them stupid. I don't agree with liberal thinking, and don't understand it, but I certainly don't think of them as stupid.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:35 AM EDT

          Unfortunately, TanMan, that's all the liberals know to do. When they're not winning an argument, they immediately resort to name-calling. "You're stupid", "you're racist", "you hate women", "you're a homophobe"; all of these second-grader-style retorts spewing from the lips of liberals is their usual line of defense. They just can't handle hearing a truth that doesn't suit them.

          • 3 votes
          #12.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:54 AM EDT

          Hmm..Coming from a nonpartisan voter, it seems that Republicans are the main ones spewing out all the name-calling (hence names like Obummer, Obidiot, etc.). The fact is that both Republicans and Democrats resort to these elementary-style attacks, which definitely is very ignorant, but Republicans seem to dish it out much more. Notice that whenever a post negatively attacks Romney or positively depicts Obama, Republicans always feel the need to tell liberals to "go collect their welfare checks". Seems to me like Republicans are the primary bad-talkers when the story does not look good for their party. But maybe that is just me...

          • 3 votes
          #12.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:24 PM EDT
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          does this mean he is moving back to england after he loses the election?

          • 4 votes
          Reply#15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:47 AM EDT

          Now the Mexican exlax ETCH-A-SKETCH is trying to PISS OFF the Britains! Long lost cousins wouldn't want to let it be known that exlax ETCH-A-SKETCH was a cousin of theirs unless he paid them under the table!!

          HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! This jerk never quits does he?

          • 5 votes
          Reply#17 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

          us agency for international development is tied to intelligence community.all of these programs should stay,stop foreign aid and then you would have trillions for americans.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#18 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:51 AM EDT

          The connection between English immigrants and Mexico is not rare. A lot of Brits came here as miners to work in the silver mines back in the 19th and 20th century. Ask Pachucans about where they got their famous "Pastes".

          • 1 vote
          Reply#19 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

          Thank you...not sure why this is getting everyone's panties in a wad this Monday morning.

          My Grandfather (mother's father) moved here from Mexico City in like 1910 and my other Grandparent's father's father) both migrated to this country from separate parts of Scotland.

          People seem to think that a person's family tree is linear...and in some cases I guess, that may be true, but most people have divergent family histories.

          • 4 votes
          #19.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT
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          Amazing Kin pooping up everywhere... Does he lend them money ????

          • 1 vote
          Reply#20 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:04 AM EDT

          Wheres that Birth Cert Mittens? next to your taxes lolololololol

          • 5 votes
          Reply#21 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:11 AM EDT

          That's what I was going to say. Let's see your birth certificate Mitt. Were you even born here?

          • 7 votes
          #21.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:00 AM EDT

          Forestwoman12 angry fox groupie!! lololololol McCain and Palin has a better chance of winning then Mittens lolololol Good Luck in 2016 lololol

          • 2 votes
          #21.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:20 PM EDT
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          First he was part-Mexican because he was born in Mexico. Now he is part-British because a street sign points to his great grandfather's home site. I would like to see Mitt Romney's Birth Certificate and his Tax Returns for the years 1998 thru 2008. Then again, if Mitt is not a US Citizen, he is not required to pay US Taxes, since all of his money is located outside the borders of the United States. Oops, your right. If Mitt was born to a US Citizen, Mitt is a US Citizen. So I still need to see those tax returns.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#22 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

          Terry, another desperate comment trying to distract from the election. Why not drag up every politicians tax records and waste time/money. What a joke. Romney is rich, get over it.

          • 5 votes
          #22.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

          I'd like to see one law review written by his majesty while in charge of the the most prestigeous law journal in the country.

          In fact. I'd like to see ANY worthwhile accomplishment of his majesty before running for office (For that matter, any worthwhile accomplishment since getting elected)

          • 5 votes
          #22.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:41 AM EDT

          bker, another arse with a loaded keyboard...

          • 5 votes
          #22.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:01 AM EDT

          I'd really like to see Obama's college transcripts/records - to prove the fact that he was a lousy student and given a free pass by the extremely liberal Harvard administration!

          Hey libbies, do yourself a favor and google FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS, Obama's mentor and the closest thing to a father he ever had!

          • 6 votes
          #22.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

          Actually, it's very possible that Davis is Obama's biological father. He was having an affair with Obama's mother when she was 17. Obama was born when his mother was 18.

          Now, if Davis is Obama's father, that would grant him natural-born US citizen status- but seeing as how Davis was Obama's mentor, and seeing as how Davis was an avowed Communist, what does this tell us about Obama's agenda? Interesting.

          • 2 votes
          #22.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

          Oh, and BKER......don't hold your breath waiting to hear about Obama's "worthwhile accomplishments". You will hear only lies.

          • 2 votes
          #22.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:04 PM EDT
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          Comment author avatarBill Billingtonvia Facebook

          Amazing! Also who cares?

          • 4 votes
          Reply#23 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:22 AM EDT

          It was a bold escape for a family of lowly carpenters...

          I sure hope he doesn't read anything more into that statement, if you get my drift.

            Reply#25 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

            I wasn't going to vote for him before I knew this and I'm not going to vote for him now that I know.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#27 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:36 AM EDT

            The fact that Romney has a handful of distant living relatives in England makes you hate him more? How about Obama's not-so-distant relatives living in poverty in Africa? What about Obama's not-so-distant relatives living on the government teat here in the US?

            • 2 votes
            #27.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:07 PM EDT
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            Who really cares. Does everyone stay in contact with all the family they have. Let's do some thing now on Obama and his cousins you know all the one's out of work probably getting food stamps and welfare. Let's interview all his African relatives as well. This is the kind of crap the media needs to stay out of.

              Reply#28 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:41 AM EDT

              Why is this news? 4th cousins?? That is quite a stretch. Who wasted their time and money on this story? Someone who wanted a nice vacation to England, I'm guessing.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#29 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

              MSNBC is just trying to avoid the real news!

                #29.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:44 PM EDT

                I would be more interested in a story on Obama's roots, but believe me, we won't see that from NBC! They go out of the way to keep that story hidden. I would like to see Obama's brother's hut and his aunt's place. You know the aunt that is here illegally! Of course Romney's English relatives can't vote, but I bet Obama's illegal relatives can!

                • 1 vote
                #29.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

                I would be more interested in a story on Obama's roots, but believe me, we won't see that from NBC! They go out of the way to keep that story hidden. I would like to see Obama's brother's hut and his aunt's place. You know the aunt that is here illegally! Of course Romney's English relatives can't vote, but I bet Obama's illegal relatives can!

                • 1 vote
                #29.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:10 PM EDT
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                I find that there are some serious resemblances with Romney and some of these people . You really can see it if you look closely.

                  Reply#30 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:45 AM EDT

                  According to Nate, “National Polls Show Signs of Settling”

                  The newest research from Nate has it as the NOV 6 factors:

                  “Obama chance of winning 78.4% Romney 21.6%”

                  “Projected Winner Obama 307.6”

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#31 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

                  I read that even Barry has "English roots". Fourth cousin? In Britain that would mean little as almost everyone is related to that degree. The reason so many US presidents are "descended" from English royalty is that royals and commoners have been knocking each other up for the last 600 years or so, legitimately or not. One big family.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#32 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:59 AM EDT
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