Gun group trains 200 Utah teachers to use weapons in school

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Firearm instructor Clark Aposhian holds a handgun up as he teaches a concealed-weapons training class to 200 Utah teachers on Dec. 27, in West Valley City, Utah. The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it would waive its $50 fee for concealed-weapons training for Utah teachers.

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Gun-rights advocates say teachers can act more quickly than law enforcement in the critical first few minutes to protect children from the kind of shooting that left 20 children and six adults dead Dec. 14 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. In Arizona, Attorney General Tom Horne has proposed amending state law to allow one educator in each school to carry a gun.  

"Schools are some of the safest places in the world, but I think teachers understand that something has changed — the sanctity of schools has changed," said Clark Aposhian, one of Utah's leading gun instructors. "Mass shootings may still be rare, but that doesn't help you when the monster comes in." Continue Reading...

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A Utah teacher is shown how to handle a handgun by instructor Clint Simon (R).

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David Burnell, CEO of OPSGEAR, teaches self-defense as part of a concealed weapons training class to 200 Utah teachers on Dec. 27.

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Clark Aposhian, President of Utah Shooting Sport Council, holds a pistol during the concealed weapons training.

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About time!

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Reply#1 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:48 PM EST

Parents need to bring guns to schools too. makes sense to you? keep everyone safer,, bring guns to work and school .

    #1.1 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:08 AM EST
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    I own 4 firearms in my home, support concealed carry laws, and I am against assault rifle bans of any kind..... BUT teachers should not be armed. Many teachers simply don't have the mental ability to handle a firearm. If schools can't use common sense when expelling children for having steak knives in the lunch bags, why on earth would you think they have the ability to decide the correct time to use a firearm. You really expect little 22 year old college grad, first year teacher to have the power to draw down on a student? What you are really doing is introducing a handful of guns into schools that have a day to day chance of being stolen or worse be involved in a teacher involved shooting because a teacher panics.

    This is just a bad idea all around, in the few school shootings we have ever had in the United States a teacher with a handgun is going to lose to a student with an assault rifle every time. If studies say that you are 83% more likely to be shot by your own gun by a family member than an outside perpetrator, carry that logic into schools and what is your likely-hood of being shot become?

    Eisaak

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    Reply#2 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:17 PM EST

    Its really a shame that Americans have allowed themselves to be stupify by the NRA to believing that more guns is better for Americans. If that was the case, Iran might just start using the same NRA/ignorant ideology that they have the right to have nuclear war power as America and Israel to defend their country. What could possibly go wrong!!! Do you think the middle east will be more saver for every country with nuclear war power without any checks and balance?

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    Reply#3 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:30 PM EST

    "When seconds count, the police are minutes away". I know several teachers who have gotten their carry permits in the past week, and yes they are (carrying). As someone who has used a pistol to save my life - twice!- both times in "good" areas of towns, a pistol in the hand of a skilled, trained, and determined person will make someone bent on criminality think twice. Few people are as determined as teachers to keep "their kids" safe, so why not?

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    Reply#4 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST

    You saved your own life twice with your own handgun in the good part of town? You are a very, very rare individual indeed or perhaps you don't know where the good part of town is.

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    #4.1 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:03 PM EST

    I used to travel a lot on business (giving seminars) and yes, SnarkyAZ35, it was the better part of the towns that I visited - you don't give seminars in slums. My father taught me how to shoot before I was a teen, and I am not afraid of guns. Both my son and son-in-law are weapons instructors for the FBI - and we all know that it doesn't matter where you are - criminals can show up. We bought our daughter a Glock .9 for her 21st birthday (it was the one she wanted) and she can shoot it as well as her (now husband's) AR-15 with no problem. Armed women = polite men.

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    #4.2 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:33 AM EST

    If this was in the "good" part of town, i sure would hate to see the "bad" part! This whole mess is going to turn into a "I got the bigger gun" problem. Sure, arm the teachers so the psychos can break out the bigger guns or even better yet, the bombs!! When will you ignorants realize you cannot put out a fire with gasoline.

    I am sure this will draw the name calling but go ahead and show your IQ.

      #4.3 - Tue Jan 1, 2013 3:55 PM EST

      Yes I carry, oh bs. You saved your life twice, uh huh, how by deciding against suicide? That is who MOST typically dies when someone owns a gun in a fatality, THE OWNER, THEIR CHILDREN, OR OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. Stop coming on here and pumping bs into the mix. The only thing you should be able to OWN under the 2nd is a fn musket and the rest of this crap is no longer needed. Time to AMEND the Constitution since it is no longer working for Americans-- we could keep it, but people choose to misinterpret it and put the LIVES OF OTHERS at risk. MY RIGHT TO LIVE ANOTHER DAY IN PEACE, exceeds your right to own anything that puts THAT at risk. My right to have my six-year old return from school at the end of the day is greater than ANY right anyone else has.

        #4.4 - Wed Jan 2, 2013 7:06 AM EST

        yes troll lets amend the costitution just for you and take your first amendment away. WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DONT YOU UNDER STAND!!! bunch of trolls.

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        #4.5 - Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:41 AM EST
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        As a gun advocate I do agree with educating teachers whether they are given the ability or not to utilze guns in school is a good thing. In my own opinion Im not so sure that teachers should be given the responsibility but maybe an armed guards at entrances to sensitive facilities to monitor all those coming in.

        However, I think for a nation that is allowed the right to bear arms every citizen should at some point in their life be educated on firearms (their purpose, how they work and the consequences of the user to make good, moral and reasonable choices when used). This takes the curiousity away from kids and the alike that could otherwise cause poor choices. After all guns dont kill people, people with bad intentions kill people, curious kids who are not educated are hurt and irresponsible people (those that do not keep firearms locked up and ammo seperate pose potential issues . Its no different than using a knife in the same manner...(The knife is not the culprit its peoples ill intentions) the knife or gun simply are a tool.

        In addition I think we as a society need to recognize warning signs of mental illnesses and provide easy access to help for those individuals in need. Even with those factors in place it does not guarantee issues wont arise. After all humans are not perfect. We also need to learn to treat each other kindly. After all we all are Americans and it should be our demeanor to treat all people regardless our race, sex, religion, etc. with respect and dignity. That teaching starts with our kids and even some adults no matter what age.

        While Im at it I would like to also mention that erradicating all guns from citizens (especially those like myself that obtain them and have them legally) does not remove the issue of those who will obtain them illegally and use them for all the wrong reasons. Guns in the right hands can safely be used for enjoyable legal events such as target shooting, hunting and also if people elect in the gravest extreme when absolutely no other alternative is left for someone to defend themselves if threatened with extreme bodily harm or death.

        I think what is missing from society is common sense, looking at all reasonable aspects on how issues occur and how we lessen those situations using common sense. Each incident is different and in each case each offender has different motive. So it is hard to cure every single incidence. What drove the shooter at Sandy Hook to carryout his actions? This is the real question should be asking. I would also go out on a limb to say that the media sensationalizes these issues which in some cases is what the offenders want and also causes the kneejerk response society gives back.

        Just my opinion.

          Reply#5 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:29 PM EST

          You make a lot of sense but the major difficulty is that in many places here in the USA anyone can buy a gun legally (casual or private sale) with no questions or background check. This is a simple and legal end-run around regulations of the sale of arms and that is a big part of the business. I can buy a gun and remain anonymous why isn't there a title that identifies me as the owner so that I have to bear the responsibility of how that weapon is used? I have to bear the responsibility of how my car is used.

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          #5.1 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:16 PM EST
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          Just taking a gaze at the room I see about 2 or 3 people who could handle a gun somewhat effectively, but they would be no match against anyone with a Bushmaster assault rifle; especially in a long hallway with distance between the two. My other concern is some student taking the opportunity to overpower a gun carrying teacher and use the weapon on others. There are just too many variables for this to work, and arming teachers instead of banning certain weapons only works well for the NRA, gun rights activists, and those making them! I have no problem with gun ownership, just a problem with combat weapons in the public domain!

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          Reply#6 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:36 PM EST

          Great comment - you must not profit from the sale of killer weapons.

            #6.1 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:21 PM EST
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            Take a look at the pictures above and it is clear, these folks are selling guns. And let's consider, is the teacher going to lay out 4-600.00 dollars to protect the students against the very remote possibility that they might be attacked unexpectedly some day in the next 10 years, maybe? Manditory or optional? Maybe the school department should buy the guns out of their already anemic budget. How about the private schools? If the public schools are protected by armed teachers or security officers, the private institutions will have to follow suite to avoid becoming prime targets. This a deep and complex problem and the folks profiting from the guns and ammo want to make it simple.

              Reply#7 - Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:40 PM EST

              If the public schools are protected by armed teachers or security officers, the private institutions will have to follow suite to avoid becoming prime targets.

              It looks like you and I agree one one thing. Gun free school zones make schools prime targets.

              To eliminate schools as "prime targets" we need to eliminate the pretend gun free zones. I have children in school and support arming a small group of well screened and trained group of faculty and staff volunteers. I would want them to have active shooter response training and annually pass the a handgun proficiency course similar to what is required of local law enforcement to carry a gun. They would be required to either wear the gun concealed or have a biometric fingerprint lock box to secure the gun in their room. The gun cannot be left in a purse, desk drawer, etc. If a lock box is mandated, it could be wired to alert the office and 9-1-1 if it is opened during school.

              Murder is already illegal. No new laws are going to protect our children from another mass shooter. The only way to protect our children is to be prepared to respond in seconds rather than minutes.

                #7.1 - Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:09 AM EST
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                One can only Imagine, how these Racist Kooks in Utah will react towards the parents and coupled with fears... its only a matter of time before one of them turns on the parents and tries to lie to justify killing some poor kids parents.

                This fear crap is a result of the G dumbya era... too much Neo Con Corporatist era nonsense.

                Bullying is the Problem that led to Columbine, and Emilee and other mass shootings. Teachers and employers use bullying to control others and play people against people.

                Schools are very well aware of everything that happens in their schools. and their volunteers are the worse.

                Utah is so full of Bullys and racist , i can imagine how the teachers and their volunteers will act towards parents. i had one teacher tell my sons class,at the end of school just before i walked to pick him up at the class room... my son said the teacher's volunteer said i was an Intruder ... and made a drill to get the kids to get down and turn off the lights... the teacher told the volunteer, i was so and so's dad and not an intruder... the volunteer, said He could call me an intruder if he wanted and had every right to say that. I asked my 9 year old 3rd grade son, if this guy did this with others , and he said he does. I said the volunteer needs a vacation, permanently . lol Teachers here do take part in bullying... the schools know how to hide it and cover it up, and label the kids, so that it will follow them through their years of school... with these kind of social skills... they can live without these taught in school , than homeschool. where it appears to be safer. as for teachers they play the kids against others they dont like for telling on them too. retaliation at best.

                The Staff will contact other schools to deter them from taking them, and to further blame and put the kids with bullies to make the kid who complains of bullying the problem.

                Schools in Utah are part of the Problem of Bullying, and Bullying is part of child abuse and neglect of providing a safe and nurturing environment of learning.... not just learning but neglecting teaching responsibility.

                Bullying, should be a hands off policy... the kids are beating each other, and the schools use people who are supposed to protect the kids, and they wont protect them, instead they tell them to stop whining or complaining. and deputize the bullies to harass the kids. and crack jokes and put the kids down in front of the whole class to encourage the complaining of bullying. it goes on and on.. and the school staff is all about peer pressure and covering it up.

                  Reply#8 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:01 AM EST

                  If the Teachers can bring GUNS, then so should Parents bring weapons to schools to pick up their kids and drop them off. The message is; we all can solve our problems with GUNS.

                  Imagine if we have a teacher or volunteer who loses it, and all our kids are at stake? wow... the ignorance of these Conservative Kooks.

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                  Reply#9 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:05 AM EST

                  Looking at that class of 200 teachers and imagining them with guns in their respective schools scares the hell out of me.

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                  Reply#10 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:33 AM EST

                  No, the message is that there are creeps and lunatics out there in the world, and sometimes they take their revenge on the innocent. Since the government coddles, sympathizes with, and defends the criminals, as well as refuses to care for and keep the mentally ill off of the streets, instead of protecting the potential victims, the only choice is to choose not to be a victim. When people are responsible for their own safety, they become more aware of their surroundings and more aware of what their responses should be. When they think that everything is fine, and that "someone" will protect them, they are wearing rose-colored glasses; nothing may ever happen to them, but if it does, they are unprepared to respond adequately and reasonably.

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                  Reply#11 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:53 AM EST

                  Violence never stops violence. Guns are not the answer in this society and they never will. In the Western days, guns were the norm because there were no real laws to carry out. The mentallity of the people in those days were that of the way that life was. I don't agree with anything that the NRA states and they are just protecting their precious weapons. We have to come up with a better way to protect our students at school. I totally believe in gun regulations.

                    Reply#12 - Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:04 AM EST

                    Eisaak

                    I own 4 firearms in my home, support concealed carry laws, and I am against assault rifle bans of any kind..... BUT teachers should not be armed. Many teachers simply don't have the mental ability to handle a firearmS.

                    If you passed the background check, then why can't they? What a stupid statement .

                      Reply#13 - Tue Jan 1, 2013 7:14 PM EST

                      We are not talking about arming all teachers. I agree, some teachers should not be carrying weapons in the classroom. But there are some teachers that do have their game together and could carry a concealed weapon properly. These are the ones that we should not tie their hands when it comes to keeping our children safe.

                        #13.1 - Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:51 AM EST
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                        Randy-394876

                        If this was in the "good" part of town, i sure would hate to see the "bad" part! This whole mess is going to turn into a "I got the bigger gun" problem. Sure, arm the teachers so the psychos can break out the bigger guns or even better yet, the bombs!! When will you ignorants realize you cannot put out a fire with gasoline.

                        I am sure this will draw the name calling but go ahead and show your IQ.

                        Randy, have you met your idiot half brother Eisaak?

                          Reply#14 - Tue Jan 1, 2013 7:17 PM EST

                          Hope A. Duchaine

                          Violence never stops violence. Guns are not the answer in this society and they never will. In the Western days, guns were the norm because there were no real laws to carry out.

                          Are you saying that we shouldn't have police? Police who may have to stop violence with violence. By the way, did you talk to your idiot brothers Randy and Eisaak?

                            Reply#15 - Tue Jan 1, 2013 7:21 PM EST

                            Imagine if we have a teacher or volunteer who loses it, and all our kids are at stake? wow... the ignorance of these Conservative Kooks.

                            Imagine if the principal had had a weapon and had stopped Lanza, at the point of entry, before he had put all the kids lives at stake ,those kids would be alive today. Newsbreak have you talked to your idiot siblings, Randy,Eisaak, and Hope.

                              Reply#16 - Tue Jan 1, 2013 7:29 PM EST

                              I have seen and heard many suggestions for arming our teachers or to add armed security to the schools. Another suggestion that has been bouncing around is to use our weekend warriors. We have a large ARMY reserve that is already on the government’s payroll. Let’s assign guard duty for them. These soldiers are already trained in use of weapons and already have an obligation to their country to support and defend.

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