Looked more like an air rifle she was actually carrying. She did get to touch the AK

She got to touch the AK47? She carried it and probably fired it and her brother was jealous because that's the deadly weapon he wanted to carry. What kind of a moron give an AK 47 to a kid? A GUN NUT?

Floridians have now crossed the line of creepy into insanity. Now I understand why I have heard people call them "Florons" and "Floridiots."

Do they not have Social Services to protect children from the insane in Florida?

We learned to canoe, dive, sail and make nautical knots. I wouldn't trade those memories for memories of shooting an AK-47 like some white supremacist child. I'm sure I'll be beaten up by posters for that, but I don't care.

Scouting has a shooting merit badge for Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts, first grade through fifth, can earn a BB-Gun Shooting belt loop award. Never had any trouble at all, ever... Boys grow up educated instead of ignorant.

This is creepy! They are robbing those children of their childhood

A lot of adults spend big dollars to enroll their kids in karate lessons. In these lessons, complimented with actual fighting, the kids are taught to break knees, gouge eyes and break arms. The kids are taught where the death spots are on the body like the temple of the brain for final kill strikes. Kicks with the heel of the foot can crush a person’s brain. The adults can also choose to enroll the kids in deadly weapons applications such clubs connected by chains and machetes. But like responsible gun training, the kids are reminded repeatedly that their killing skills and machetes are not to be flaunted or as offensive weapons. Like it or not, these parents are teaching their kids to kill, and is not any creepier than kids learning how to use a gun to defend themselves.

Annie - Why does shooting a gun make one a white supremacist? That is the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time. Since you learned to sail as a child, that makes you some sort of paragon of proper upbringing? Go back to your visions of armed neo-Nazis coming for you in the dead of night, and spare us your misguided hate.

Why does shooting a gun make one a white supremacist?

It doesn't but this article was about this group. Did you see any Blacks in this group?

These children are learning practical skill sets necessary to survive in the impending zeitgeist.

Dick boy.....There was no mention of white supremacist in the article, only survivalists, people learning to live off the land if the conditions require it. You may want to consider it because Walmart may be closed one day due to some terrible natural or human-made disaster.

There is hardly a single white in Massachusetts. Does that make all the people in that state white supremacists?

So since there are no "Blacks" hanging out in the woods with them, they are racists? You, sir, sound like the racist.

White trash teaching their children to be white trash.

Meh. I'm a total liberal and a floridian to boot (south florida though, not north florida). North florida is more like south Georgia, outside of Gainesville. I don't see anything wrong with this. Plenty of parents bring their kids on vacations that they don't like. It's part of growing up. I see nothing wrong with teaching a child how to responsibly handle a weapon. My uncle is a total liberal and "gun nut" as well, and I'm glad he took me out shooting as a teen.

Having said that, nobody needs an AR-15. I couldn't specify what kinds of limitations to make, since it gets into a gray area. I don't think we should be selling 30 rounds magazines (yes, I'm aware they can be home-manufactured with proper machine tools, but that's not going to be as reliable as a precision manufactured clip from a gun manufacturer). I think we need better background checks and closing the gun show loophole.

Adults - fathers and mothers of these children are teaching their offspring how to safely handle firearms (the girl in the later picture was not pointing the gun at anyone, and her hands were off the trigger, the girl marching with the group had her firearm pointed in a safe direction and it appears her finger is not on the trigger, she also appears alert and serious).

Why are so many of you writing comments that imply this is somehow damaging to their childhoods? Would you rather these children run around with super soakers and pretend to blow each other away? Would you rather they were in youth football and taught how to maim each other on the playing field?

What is so wrong with children being taught responsible use of firearms, and being taught how to work together with their families in times of outside conflict? This is the meaning of community, the willingness and ability of everyone to band together and protect each others lives.

If someone attacked your neighbors, and you heard them dying, would you JUST call the police and wait, cowering in fear as your neighbors were raped and murdered? or would you call the police, grab your gun/knife/whatever and go try to prevent them from being butchered? These children and adults are trying to safely and responsibly learn how to protect their loved ones and community, and you dare insult them?

As for various racial comments, I didn't read anything in the article to suggest that these folks were any sort of hate group. Are you merely applying a stereotype to them? calling them white supremacists, white trash etc... In other words, I am asking if you are using racial or cultural bias in an attempt to discriminate against this group of people?

How do you live with yourselves, being so full of rage, hate, insulting speech and knee-jerk judgement? If this is the norm for you, I hope you do not raise your children this way, and I hope you do note vote. We need responsible and calm citizens, not zealots foaming at the mouth.

If I was those guys I would teaching my kids how to tread water and swim. There is a massive slab of rock twice the volume of the Isle of Man, 500 billion tons, that could break away from the island of La Palma during the next eruption of Cumbre Vieja volcano, and smash into the Atlantic Ocean to cause a tsunami - a monster wave - bigger than any recorded, the scientists warned yesterday (2004). "It will surge across the Atlantic at 500 miles per hour in less than seven hours, engulfing the whole US east coast with a wave almost two hundred feet high " higher than Nelson,s Column " sweeping away everything in its path up to 20 miles inland. Boston would be hit first, followed by New York, then all the way down the coast to Miami, the Caribbean and Brazil." Millions would be killed, and as Dr. Day explains: "It's not a question of "if" Cumbre Vieja collapses, it's simply a question of "when". So if Jim Foster's family is taught how to tread water and swim maybe they would have a better chance than learning how to shoot assault rifles, and this will happen way sooner than President Obama's government coming after Mr. Foster's AK-47s.

"Scouting has a shooting merit badge for Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts, first grade through fifth, can earn a BB-Gun Shooting belt loop award. Never had any trouble at all, ever... Boys grow up educated instead of ignorant."

They had parents that weren't Teabaggers, or nuttbaggers or whatever name for the crazys they have become.

my, how times have changed.

I know it has been mentioned, but the BSA, and the 4-H had shooting competitions and badges to go along with them. In the 50's most schools had shooting teams. We taught kids how to use arms properly and to respect them.

It was not until this attitude, "This is child endangerment" or "This is taking the childhood away from kids" in essence stopping teaching children from learning to shoot, and the discipline and respect for arms, that we started having the trouble.

It is easy to see, prior to 1966, we had only a few "Mass killings", fewer than a dozen perhaps in the previous 100 years. In the last 30 years, how many?

And here are some inaccuracies in the article:

"younger man in a full ensemble of tactical gear and a tricked-out AR-15 assault rifle"

I doubt very much that any of the arms there were selective fire, or automatic.

while covering the flank of a line of militia members searching for an imagined enemy

Well what else do you expect from a training exercise, however the context gives me the impression that the author is implying "their imaginary enemy is the "Government Boogey Man"

To their credit, I never had to use my Nolte line with the members of Foster’s group. While the members of the group were clearly passionate about their distrust of our government and, more specifically, our president, they never tried to force-feed me their opinions.

And another prejudice held by a liberal, about gun owners. We are not trying to force anything on you, yet every time we turn around, you seem to want to force another Government Program or Regulation upon us. I.E. take money out of my pocket, or "Protect me from myself"

And what many of you failed to notice, you were all preoccupied the "Kids and Guns" is that this is a "Survival Group". Adn my guess is, that Jim Foster helps prepare them for a multitude of scenarios, including Natural Disasters, (isn't Florida in the Hurricane Zone?)

What I find fascinating is the psychological, almost pathological, need to poke fun at or otherwise ridicule those who would be prepared for such an eventuality, remote as it is. Is it to satisfy the fear that you have that something may actually occur, because subconsciously you know it is a reality, and you have no way of surviving it because you are unprepared, or are dependent upon someone or something (government) to rescue you?

groucheeoleman

"Scouting has a shooting merit badge for Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts, first grade through fifth, can earn a BB-Gun Shooting belt loop award. Never had any trouble at all, ever... Boys grow up educated instead of ignorant."

They had parents that weren't Teabaggers, or nuttbaggers or whatever name for the crazys they have become.

#1.21

Well, if I am a TEAbagger, does that make you a teabaggee? you really should learn the terminology of a word before you use it. look up TEAbagging reference online gaming and hazing.

Times do change fast..when I was a very young guy..The Lone Ranger cap pistol was a big deal.

That was the generation that made America back then!

A lot of adults spend big dollars to enroll their kids in karate lessons. In these lessons, complimented with actual fighting, the kids are taught to break knees, gouge eyes and break arms.

Wow are you completely ignorant about karate! That is not at all what they are taught. You probably think Karate Kid was reality! Self defense is not about crippling or killing people. I have been practicing martial arts for more than 30 years. What we learn is called a discipline for a reason.

These survivalists are just passing their ignorant ways to their poor kids. America would be a much better place without these RWNJ's.

The Boy Scouts teach survival does this make them ignorant. It seems to be that you are ignorant of this skill set and simultaneously critical of it. To me this makes YOU clearly the ignorant one.

This camp is just IDIOCY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@ lib&proud-6808200

Meh. I'm a total liberal and a Floridian to boot (south Florida though, not north Florida). North Florida is more like south Georgia, outside of Gainesville. I don't see anything wrong with this. Plenty of parents bring their kids on vacations that they don't like. It's part of growing up. I see nothing wrong with teaching a child how to responsibly handle a weapon. My uncle is a total liberal and "gun nut" as well, and I'm glad he took me out shooting as a teen.

Having said that, nobody needs an AR-15. I couldn't specify what kinds of limitations to make, since it gets into a gray area. I don't think we should be selling 30 rounds magazines (yes, I'm aware they can be home-manufactured with proper machine tools, but that's not going to be as reliable as a precision manufactured clip from a gun manufacturer). I think we need better background checks and closing the gun show loophole.

#1.18

I agree with the first part.

But who are you to tell ME What I Need or don't need. Just another liberal, "I know what's best for you"?

Wouldn't that be like me telling urban folks, that since you live in a city with public transit, or taxis you don't need a car. They are dangerous and cause pollution.

Evidently you are not a gun efficiendo. The AR platform is a wonderful hunting rifle system. I have one AR lower with .243 Win. SSM for prairie dog(heavy barrel bench gun), and I was in the process of getting a 6.8mm (light barrel) for deer, .50 Beowolf for wild hogs and .223 for coyotes and just plinking. One firearm, 4 useful guns. It was cheaper to go this route until the liberals got their panties in a bunch.

The AR platform is completely modular. Push out two pins and the “Upper” receiver comes right off. Uppers are available (or they were) in a multitude of small, medium and large calibers, for a variety of purposes, from home defense, to hunting, to competition shooting, etc.

Also, it is much easier, especially with the adjustable, collapsible stocks available to fit the AR to persons of varying statue. My girlfriend is only 4'11", and it is very, very difficult for her to shoulder any of my other guns, but I can readily shorten the stock for her to shoot and extend it for me. Without this, we would need to have two separate guns, one for her, and one for me. Guns are not one size fits all. And it is costly and problematic to size a gun to a shooter.

I know all you liberals have this image in your mind about "banning this one gun", but the reality is, it is not just one gun.

What exactly is the gun show loophole? How does it differ from other private sales? How do you enforce background checks of private sales?

voxrationis

A lot of adults spend big dollars to enroll their kids in karate lessons. In these lessons, complimented with actual fighting, the kids are taught to break knees, gouge eyes and break arms.

Wow are you completely ignorant about karate! That is not at all what they are taught. You probably think Karate Kid was reality! Self defense is not about crippling or killing people. I have been practicing martial arts for more than 30 years. What we learn is called a discipline for a reason.

These survivalists are just passing their ignorant ways to their poor kids. America would be a much better place without these RWNJ's.

#1.25

Don't know which school of "Karate" you are talking about, the one I went to "Tae Kwon Do", (in college) taught me to do just that, cripple or kill an opponent, depending on the circumstance.

And why is it, we must change to suit your ideal, there are several countries in the world that already have most of what youwant. My question to all you Liberals is this, "If you don't like our society, the way it is, why don't you move to somewhere more suited to your likes, such as, Canada, England, or else where in Europe, where they have guns laws "that work", "Free" Universal Healthcare, Pensions and Welfare?
Why must I (we) change to fit YOUR Ideal and Ideology?" No one is making you stay here.
One thing about a free country, is, you are FREE to leave when ever you want."

Maybe America would be better without all you LWNJ's.

It was certainly less violent, before the Liberal Progressives took root.

I grew up in a very rural area and we learned how to handle weapons at an early age for legitamate reasons, but this!!!!! This is insane, kids should be allowed to be kids, I'm am so sick of the right wing fanatics in this country whats next, teaching pre school kids how to kill.

Just look at these "adult" clowns they look like their fighting World War 3. What the &*(^ is wrong with these people?????

And the right gets tagged as crazy...there are some wacko lefties on this site. A nut job is a nut job right or left.

Packing for survival training:

Guns- $1800

Tents- $179.99

Rations- $5700.25

Thomas the Train plastic ride on toy- Priceless

"There isnt a thing wrong with this, didnt you read, its led by a former police officer, they cant be doing any wrong if thats the case"

Yeah, that makes me feel sooooo much better.

This is borderline child abuse.

No brainwashing kids in public schools with progressive liberal political correctness is child abuse.

"Sorry Johnny, you did the right thing pulling that bully off of the smaller kid he was beating up, but we have to suspend you anyway because the school has a "zero tolerance for violence" policy."

That actually happened to my son.

Great posts, farmboy. Good evening usual suspects.

I dare each and every one of them - kids, parents and camp trainers/advisers whatever they call themselves... To learn to handle an AK-47 like *all* Russian high-schoolers - or anyone who finished a high-school - do: disassemble and reassemble an AK-47 with blindfolds on in an under 1m time... My personal record was 19 seconds, I was in the 9th grade. Nobody could come in over 1m, b/c then they would not graduate you from school. Add to that: 98% shooting average requirement (we had a gun range under our school, with target shooting using AK-47 and other guns at 50m+), your basic knowledge of the stages of a nuclear explosion (shock wave pressure, explosion sound level, incineration radius etc), your knowledge of chemical and biological weapons, mastery of using a gas mask and physical fitness test with the full armour on, incl. a gas mask, a weapon, fatigues, boots, hand-grenade stash etc...

This is what I remember from our "Civil Defence" course in my high-school, back in 1988-1989 Soviet Union. Soviets took their defence very seriously, having just had a nasty WWII on their soil just 40 years prior. This Civil Defence course did not make me into a psycho, because we were trained for a survival in a case of enemy occupation - which had happened in Russia/USSR so many times before.

I still remember many of those lessons, but I abhor all the gun/military culture, and especially this pathetic "survivalist" kinda camps in a country that knew no foreign occupation, no chemical weapons, no nukes thrown on them... This is what I consider "Big Boys' Lil' War Games" - all this survivalist sh*t, as well as invading and occupying other countries just for the h*ll of (like Iraq and Afghanistan). Had America really suffered under foreign occupation JUST ONCE - like all the other countries in the World, esp. in Europe - none of this "survivalist" theater game camp would ever be needed. And it would really make AMerica think twice (or thrice) before barging into other countries to "liberate", "democratize". "drain the Swamp" or whatever.

Yeah, making money while waging a military operation (ala Pentagon/MIC) - as opposite to a war, is one thing, but being scorched/pulverized by a foreign Army (that's what really is called a "war") is quite another.

Peace (is the best)

ANV

Jim has shoulder straps to hold his gut in, impressive!

Hmm seems some ahole erroneously collapsed my comment... allow me to reinstate the truth:

More paranoia trickling down to our youth due to the current administration's focus on gun control, gone out of control

Crushedu: The only "phychos" in the woods are the "ones" who "think" that the guns are the problem.

The people are NOT in their "right minds!" And besides this, this is part of the plan for a "one world Government!"

Read the Book(KJV). And you probably won't understand it, because you are not His(God) child!

Yes, you are His creation, but NOT His child, until yopu are "born again.

Have a good day...

Looks like some of the psychos(i.e. jerry1795679) stayed behind to comment on the internet....oh, my bad..."phychos".

Jerry,

I don't quite know how your refuting of the "psychos in the woods" comment led you to "born-again" propaganda, but since it did . . . As a believing Christian, I am sick to death of this new-age drivel about how I can't be "His child" until I am "born-again"! Rubbish! The Bible, KJV or otherwise, tells me that whosoever believith in Him shall not die, but have everlasting life! LOOK IT UP!

As for the content of this article itself, this group is indeed sick. This isn't a father training his son in the proper handling of a gun and taking that son (or daughter) hunting or target shooting; this is indoctrinating these young kids into the paranoid world of survivalism. In other words, it doesn't hurt them to learn to handle a gun necessarily (though I don't believe anyone needs to handle anything like an AK47), but it does indeed hurt them to be convinced that their own government is coming to get them at any moment! I grew up in the era when we had bomb drills in my elementary school that featured us hiding under our desks or lined up in the hall hugging the walls. Paranoia is not good for children!

Pj

We could have a pretty could debate somewhere (this isn't the best forum) as to what it means to "believe".

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The idea that a handful of gun nuts could take on the most powerful military force this world has ever seen with a few AK47s is the ultimate lunacy.

The gun manufacturers are milking this irrational paranoia all the way to the bank.

FaltiIron...compared to insane parents who give assault weapons to their kids. One of these days one of those kids could become the next Lanza and he or she would kill his parents of one of those weapons and then kill a bunch of people before killing themselves.

Well hey. If the good ole boys can't have fun with the KKK, they can switch over to this nutty idea.

- to hate, mistrust and disobey law and order

Unsubstantiated drivel.

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FlaIron...the government is not terrified of gun owners but the government knows they are a threat to society. Most of the victims of mass shootings are victims of gun owners or the weapons of gun owners like Nancy Lanza!~

FlatIron they are not afraid.

The gun owners have an irrational fear.

Nobody has talked about taking away the right to own weapons, except the gun cult to create fear.

The only discussion has been to go back to the 10 year Assault Weapon Ban that came from the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.

In 2004 that ban ended and shortly after that we started having AR15 shootings.

Flatiron: I agree with you 100%.

Most of the military would take up arms against a tyrannical government. I know many people that I served with that bring up this topic all of the time. If it comes down to gun confiscation they would side with the people instead of the So called Commander in Thief.

There is nothing wrong with teaching children gun safety and how to use them to protect your family.

My son was taught starting with a bb gun and then a 22 rifle up to the point where he is on a competition shooting team with a AR-15

I laugh at the people that call us hicks because we do this. My son is a Senior at college right now and will graduate this spring with a degree in chemistry with molecular biology.

Get a life people because children fought in the civil war to keep this nations freedoms alive.

Doug

Most of the military would take up arms against a tyrannical government.

Just another "fear" to draw in members to its cult.

The paranoid thought that the US Government is going to go Renegade.

Every time we vote we have a revolution. Pretty hard to go renegade in that kind of environment. It is an unrealistic fear the gun cult uses to trap its people.

I honestly believe the source of this lie is the gun sellers. Creating a market through fear.

Oregon:

Most of your statement is just rambling.

When the government tries to take guns there will be a civil war. Too many people have fought and died to protect the constitution and if the government wasn't scared they would stop trying to take away our rights.

Keep telling yourself that it is just paranoia.

And Mikey. My son owns 12 guns and is a very smart individual that knows how to protect himself.

Evidently you don't.

When the government tries to take guns there will be a civil war.

No, there won't. There will definitely be a few true believers who will rebel. They will be demonized in the media like the branch davidians, Randy Weaver, Dorner, etc. and will likely suffer the same fate. Most big talkers will piss their pants in the face of overwhelming forces.

Don't believe me. Find the videos on youtube of the gun confiscations during Katrina.

Doug

When the government tries to take guns there will be a civil war.

Where on earth did you ever get the fear that the Government is going to take all your guns?

It is a cult mentality that fears the unknown, and in this case the impossible.

if the government wasn't scared they would stop trying to take away our rights.

They aren't!

There is nothing in the Constitution or the Amendments that allows you own any weapon you want. Nobody is trying to disarm anyone.

The first amendment allows any nutcase group to peaceably assemble, the second amendment allows for a "WELL REGULATED" militia to form. Those well regulated militias are the National Guard and a hand full of State Defense Forces. To be well regulated a militia is regulated by Congress as per the Constitution of the USA:

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States

Specifically this section:

***To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;***

That 2 year limit on funding was because of their fear of a standing Army. They were not afraid of the Government misusing the military, they were afraid some GENERAL would take over.

JOregon, you've completely twisted what "well regulated militia" of the 2nd amendment means. The militia at the time of its writing were the people and "well regulated" in the language of the time meant "well practiced". 10USC311 defines "militia: composition and classes" in the US Code. It says:

a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

JOregon: To add to what Ron said, the Supreme Court has upheld the individual's right to bear arms a number of times now. They have made it clear that each citizen has the right to own firearms, and that it does not just apply to some imaginary militia. And in fact, US citizens do have the right to own any small arm that they desire. That comes from the "shall not be infringed" part. Small arms would be any firearm that is able to be carried by one person and shoots ammo that is .50 caliber or smaller. That is why, with the proper permits, you can own fully automatic weapons, i.e. real assault rifles and belt-fed machine guns.

Ron,

JOregon, you've completely twisted what "well regulated militia" of the 2nd amendment means. The militia at the time of its writing were the people and "well regulated" in the language of the time meant "well practiced".

It does not.

Do you really think their understanding of words was that incompetent? Somehow over time we actually learned what the root word - rēgulātus (latin) - meant? Somehow back in those days they didn't know, or temporarily forgot?

That is just another lie promoted by the gun cult to control its members.

The Constitution is very clear as to HOW a Militia is to be Regulated.

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Those are the State Defense Forces that a few states have. In all there are about 15,000 people involved in these State defense forces. The State finances them so most states have chosen not to have them because the National guard is more than enough. In these times of budget cuts there is good possibility more states will follow suit.

The difference is the National Guard can be Federalized in times of need. The SDF is loyal to the State only, so they are not Federally Organized (unorganized).

Those between 17-45 sign up for the Selective Service. I am old enough to remember the Draft.

Actually, the militias that were referred to in the 2nd amendment were the ones run by the southern states, used to capture runaway slaves.

And that flaming liberal Anton Scalia has said that the 2nd amendment really only applies to the sorts of weapons available at the time it was written. So you've certainly got the right to own flintlocks and muskets, but anything more powerful is subject to regulation.

Realistically, however, there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that an assault weapons ban will pass the house, so this fear that Obama is going to take away your toys is nothing but irrational paranoia, stoked by the gun manufacturers and their stooges in the NRA (over half the NRA's budget comes from the gun manufacturers).

No, there won't. There will definitely be a few true believers who will rebel. They will be demonized in the media like the branch davidians, Randy Weaver, Dorner, etc. and will likely suffer the same fate. Most big talkers will piss their pants in the face of overwhelming forces.

I don't think I could have said it better myself. Just look at what people think of OWS. The public mind is easily swayed by the media. I know people and have gone to OWS rallies and can tell you its the complete opposite of what the media threw at the public. The same would happen to anyone resisting with guns. Quickly labeled as a terrorist organization and dealt with.

I am pro gun, I own and carry them. But I really have to laugh at people who say "Try to take away my guns". SWAT disarms armed people all the time, its not hard. Unless you have some magical powers to resist a flashbang (stun grenade)??

I dont ahve an issue with kids learning about guns. The issue I have is this "A young boy sits on a toy, upset because his sister got to carry the rifle that he wanted". That right their is telling me he is not old enough. A gun is not a toy. He is letting his emotions get the best of him when dealing with a deadly weapon.

Ryan

To add to what Ron said, the Supreme Court has upheld the individual's right to bear arms a number of times now.

Just in case you missed it let me repeat:

Where on earth did you ever get the fear that the Government is going to take all your guns?

It is a cult mentality that fears the unknown, and in this case the impossible.

The only discussion is in what those weapons should be.

Between 1994 and 2004 there was a fully legal 10 year ban on assault style weapons. It expired due to a Sunset Provision. Since 2004 we have seen gun violence rise dramatically.

The Supreme court ruled on the right to own a hand gun, one of the Judges in the case

Justice Stevens said:

I would change the interpretation of the Second Amendment. The court got that quite wrong. Gun policy should be handled by legislatures and by states, not by federal judges appointed for life.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2097390,00.html#ixzz2LPj2v8hc

In case you were not aware the Supreme court is often times very Political and not fair, legal, or righteous. Never the less the court has never ruled you can own any weapon you want.

Actually, the militias that were referred to in the 2nd amendment were the ones run by the southern states, used to capture runaway slaves.

cite?

We are talking about 1791 here.

JOregon

FlatIron they are not afraid.

The gun owners have an irrational fear.

Nobody has talked about taking away the right to own weapons, except the gun cult to create fear.

The only discussion has been to go back to the 10 year Assault Weapon Ban that came from the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.

In 2004 that ban ended and shortly after that we started having AR15 shootings.

Sure they have. Both Governor Cuomo and Senator Feinstein (among others) have openly discussed the prospect of forced gun confiscation. It takes a real thick headed moonbat to actually believe that govenment isn't actively trying to abolish the Second Amedment. Libtards use irrational fear to attempt to ram through draconian laws all the time.

Furthermore, if American citizens cannot be trusted to own "assault" weapons, let the government set an example by disarming its own bodyguards and Secret Service agents first. They can use double barreled shotguns just like Biden suggested.

have openly discussed the prospect of forced gun confiscation.

Which guns?

Could you give a cite for this? You'll have to excuse me but so many lies have come from the Gun Cult I need to check your facts.

trying to abolish the Second Amedment.

Interesting accusation. What do you have to back it up?

That is the thing that gets me about the Gun Cult is the lies. misdirects, and twisting of truth.

If they actually had anything of substance to stand on they wouldn't need to follow such dishonest tactics.

Here is a new one from the NRA:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association is using a Justice Department memo it obtained to argue in ads that the Obama administration believes its gun control plans won't work unless the government seizes firearms and requires national gun registration — ideas the White House has not proposed and does not support.

Read this story HERE and I am sure a few more places.

let the government set an example by disarming its own bodyguards and Secret Service agents first.

The Presidents and their families are REAL targets.

Unless you are dealing drugs or generally hanging around unsavory types you are not.

http://thestoryoflibertyblog.com/2012/12/22/ny-gov-cuomo-gun-confiscation-and-forced-buyback-an-option/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-feinstein-suggests-national-buyback-of-guns/article/2516648

Maybe it's time for the moonbats to pull their heads out of their asses and wake up.

One only needs to look at the country's most liberal major cities (Chicago, New York, DC) to see that draconian gun control is alive and well. Only the rich, famous, and politically connected are allowed to carry a pistol, never mind an "assault weapon."

JOregon

let the government set an example by disarming its own bodyguards and Secret Service agents first.

The Presidents and their families are REAL targets.

Unless you are dealing drugs or generally hanging around unsavory types you are not.

What an ignorant, narrow-minded comment. Tell that to the countless innocent victims of home invasions, rape, robbery, and other violent crimes. When a person is targeted by a criminal(s), it doesn't matter who they are. They can be just as vulnerable as a politican and need the ability to defend themselves.

Dougi - the flaw with you statement (way back there) is that you are a very small group of Gun/Wingnuts - WE THE SANE PEOPLE are the majority including 99.9% military do not think you should have certain weapons. We will set in motion steps to limit them and if you and your (most likely felons after the purchase) commando friends aren't real careful, WE THE SANE PEOPLE will amend the Second Amendment to reflect the 21st Century and it weaponry with a clause to review it periodically.

Regulated = Controlled. a well reguilated militia is one that is properly controlled. This bunch of ad hoc, paranoid survivalists that hates mainstream America does not quality.

Flat Iron

From YOUR, pro gun link:

Cuomo indicated the state will likely force some kind of permit process on owners of semi-automatic “assault weapons.” In addition to generating revenue and expanding the size and reach of government, the effort will allow the state to confiscate the weapons of citizens who do not comply.

Obviously they have tried to put a HUGE spin on a common sense proposition. Registering semi-automatic assault style weapons.

If you own and don't register you are probably a criminal and should have it confiscated.

No citizen needs a Semi-Automatic Assault style weapon with a high capacity magazine.

As I pointed out earlier we had a ban on such weapons (the world didn't end) and when the time period for the ban ran out Semi-Automatic Assault style weapon violence increased.

Basically all Feinstein was doing is something called Brainstorming. You throw things out there then separate the wheat from the chaff.

Flat

What an ignorant, narrow-minded comment. Tell that to the countless innocent victims of home invasions, rape, robbery, and other violent crimes.

They are not TARGETS. As you point out, they are VICTIMS.

Only the most ignorant doesn't know the difference.

Sloden

A REGULATED CLOCK is a CONTROLLED clock.

A clock does not practice.

reg·u·late

verb (used with object), reg·u·lat·ed, reg·u·lat·ing.
1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.: to regulate household expenses.
2. to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.: to regulate the temperature.
3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
4. to put in good order: to regulate the digestion.

JOregon,

Apparently you arent aware the the Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you on just about every assertion you made in all your ramblings. District of Columbia vs. Heller CLEARLY states:

The court then held that the Second Amendment "protects an individual right to keep and bear arms", saying that the right was "premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government (or a threat from abroad)."

You see even the SCOTUS thinks your opinion is invalid.

In addition, every single country that has ever engaged in having a national database for their citizens firearms has eventually used this database to confiscate them. Canada, Great Britain, Australia just to name a few so the worry is legitimate.

Riley

I addressed the SCOTUS decision earlier.

District of Columbia vs. Heller was about HAND GUNS!

No one is talking about disarming the citizens of all their guns.

That lie is continually spread by the gun cult to hold their members. It is a common practice with cults to use irrational fear to hold members.

Earlier I mentioned an interview with one of those Judges.

When Justice Stevens was asked if he could fix one thing about the American Judicial system what would it be? He said:

I would change the interpretation of the Second Amendment. The court got that quite wrong. Gun policy should be handled by legislatures and by states, not by federal judges appointed for life.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2097390,00.html#ixzz2LPj2v8hc

The decision was a 5 to 4 decision and the 5 that voted for it were all appointed by GOP Presidents. Of the 4 that voted against it 2 were appointed by Republicans, 2 were appointed by Democrats.

The Supreme court is often very Political. The President actually has very little control over all the things he gets blamed for but the one thing a President does that has a lasting affect is appointing Judges.

Nevertheless the court has never ruled you can own any weapon you want.

In addition, every single country that has ever engaged in having a national database for their citizens firearms has eventually used this database to confiscate them. Canada, Great Britain, Australia just to name a few so the worry is legitimate.

You can own fire arms in all those countries. The fear is not legitimate it is cultivated paranoia.

This is America, trying to compare America to other countries is delusion.

I get a real kick out of listening to the idiots like JOregon and Rev Wright (Any relation to Jesse Jackson?)

You people have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If the POS POTUS tries to take the guns away from American people there will be a civil war. PERIOD!!

You need to wake up and smell the roses because the majority of military will leave their posts to fight against a dictator president then kill their own families. I know a full bird colonel that is on active duty that has already told me that the weapons in the military arsenal will be used against the POTUS if he tries to remove the 2nd amendment.

There are many more gun owners than you think and thus you are a idiot for believing otherwise.

If you have any guts place a sign in your front yard saying that I am against guns and please feel free to rob me, rape my wife and daughter and kill us.

Go ahead anti gun jerk! I dare you.

I have had enough of people like you and you deserve what you get.

Adios!!!

Dougj from MI has just presented the only true arguments available to the gun cult.

1. An irrational fear of something that is never going to happen.

...a. No President has ever suggested eliminating the second amendment.

...b. No President has ever suggested taking away the right of the citizens to carry arms.

...c. There is no way the Government could go renegade, because we have regular elections.

2. A total misunderstanding as to what rights the 2nd Amendment gives.

3. A complete lack of knowledge as to what a WELL REGULATED militia is.

.........

Doug and those like him have been bamboozled by the gun cult. They live in paranoia and fear.

I lost a friend to a religious cult (CUT) and his blindness was the equal of Doug's.

If you actually did talk to a Colonel, and he told you that, it was to pacify you of your irrational fear.

Sometimes it is better just to agree with the psychotic. Sometimes.

Actually, the militias that were referred to in the 2nd amendment were the ones run by the southern states, used to capture runaway slaves.

cite?

We are talking about 1791 here.

JOregon....

What countries in my list can you own guns in? Everything except hunting rifles were confiscated in Austrailia IF they were not turned in first and even then those hunting rifles have to be separated from their ammunition and locked up. Canada has repeatedly warned against an impending American confiscation because that is what happened to them after it was promised they wouldnt engage in it.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/11/canadian-news-anchor-issues-ominous-warning-to-america-registration-will-lead-to-confiscation/

Every free society has at one point or another challenged their constitution in tiny increments, France, Germany, Italy, Russia....the list goes on and on. Its not rocket science that the US would never launch an assault on rights outright, they have to test the waters bit by bit but very few deny that it starts here.

Riley

What countries in my list can you own guns in?

All 3.

Quite a few guns are legal in England, though if you listened to the NRA you would think Nerf guns were banned.

Guns are allowed in Australia, and yes there are restrictions.

Australia has Categories of gun ownership. Category H allows for hand guns.

Since they outlawed semiautomatic weapons, gun deaths have dropped about 55%.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/31/stephen-king/stephen-king-says-australia-cracked-down-guns-homi/

The fact is removing easy access to guns has saved lives in Australia.

The Australian Institute of Criminology found that gun-related murders and suicides fell sharply after 1996. The American Journal of Law and Economics found that our gun buyback scheme cut firearm suicides by 74 percent. In the 18 years before the 1996 reforms, Australia suffered 13 gun massacres — each with more than four victims — causing a total of 102 deaths. There has not been a single massacre in that category since 1996.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/17/australia-s-example-for-controlling-guns.html

Your Canadian news anchor works for an ultra conservative news service.

In Canada all sorts of weapons are allowed but there are restrictions. For instance Handguns are allowed but barrels less than 4 inches are not allowed.

Here is a good read on Canadian gun laws:

http://www.canada.com/Canadian+laws+ahead+those/7894389/story.html

Memphis Kelly: You can't get 22 ammunition at this time. Nobody has it, because everybody's been buying it up and hoarding it over the fear of new gun restrictions.

It is a better idea to teach your kids to handle a pencil. Most of their future lies on how well they do with a pencil instead of a gun and the chances they get hurt or killed with that pencial are much lower than getting hurt or killed with a gun. Guns are adult weapons. Kids who learn to handle guns feel comfortable handling guns without adult supervision. That's more dangerous than allowing your 8 year-old son to drive a car all alone on the highway.

sometimes we gun nuts as you call us are laughing so hard at the stupid comments from the lunatics from the left are writing we just dont post at your crap! Allie go back out on the street and earn your rent money so you dont end up homeless, there a post you expected!

Shoot said "sometimes we gun nuts as you call us are laughing so hard"!~ Crazy people tend to laugh uncontrolably under odd reasons like a debate of a tragedy where 20 kids were massacre with an assault weapon legally owned by a gun nut. You people are weird!~

I laugh uncontrollably when scum-bag politicians and people like you use such a horrible tragedy as a political prop to further your agenda.

I have always thought that father should have been charged with a crime. People were like "He's being punished enough." But the truth is, that guy had plenty of warnings that it wasn't a good idea, beyond just common sense. However, I also question the organizers of the event who did not set an age or size limit on children handling such weapons - that also seems like common sense. It's a shame that little boy was failed so utterly by the adults around him - the only one looking out for him was basically a child himself.

JrzWrld...I agree the father should have been charged. Even the 15 year-old helper at the gun range advised the Doctor father the weapon was too powerful for the kid but the father insisted on having his son fire an automatic weapon. He was told it was dangerous and once again he insisted on having his kid fire the Uzi. That was the last time he saw him alive. The father was responsible for his son's death.

To say nothing of DEMENTED! Teaching brainwashing children that young, making them believe that some day they will have to fight some sort of undefined "enemy" and kill them without flinching, is about as revolting a thing as I can imagine. I shudder to think what some of these kids will grow up to be like, but that apple still doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?

And you would "brainwash" them into believing that the world is all flowers and butterflies? The world is a cruel place, and you would have to be "demented" to think that we are immune to the evil that this world has to offer. There is nothing wrong with learning how to handle a firearm, even at a young age (with proper supervision). It doesn't make one a dumb inbred redneck like so many on here seem to think. Gun culture is American culture. That's how it has been since before the Revolution, and it is not going to change anytime soon.

It not my fault that you city folks are scared of firearms because your only experience with guns is when they are in the hands of criminals. Rural America is taught to use and respect firearms as a way of life. So please stop equating the use and ownership of firearms to some sort of backwards philosophy. Also, I guarantee that the guns they are carrying in the photos are unloaded while doing their training exercises, so the chance of the kids shooting someone is slim to none.

For the record, I am about as "liberal" as they come on every issue except for the right to bear arms. I have the same gun shown in photo #3, which is not an AK-47. It is a semi-automatic WASR10/63 assembled by Century Arms International in Georgia, Vermont. But hey, nothing like souping up your story to say that a child is handling a machine gun, despite the facts!

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

mpa

Like most of the so called pro gun quotes this quote is in dispute:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1920914?uid=3739856&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101852894917

chadmac...the purpose of teaching gun safety is to prevent accidental gun related injuries and deaths. The best gun safety tip I can give any parent is don't have guns in your homes. Kids are curious and irresponsible. When you have guns at home and kids you must be perfect in your own gun safety skills. No one is perfect. Therefore, the chances on injury or death are always possible if you have guns at home no matter how much gun safety you pratice or teach. But the chances are zero if there are no guns at home. I prefer that zero chances choice.

Teaching kids gun safety is a good thing, it's part of teaching them responsibility. Teaching kids to creep through the woods and protect themselves from imaginary enemies who aren't coming is a bad thing, it's part of teaching them paranoia......

Is that why the nuts still have the price tags hanging off their hats? They want to be Hee Haw stars!

They will not have to worry though about the thugs offing them...LIKE THEY WILL YOU..WILL THEY. NOPE, YOU ARE TOAST. and you know it..Put a sign in your front yard, I DON'T HAVE ANY GUNS..Dare you..just hope you live in a crummy neighborhood with an ugly wife and daughters so that you MIGHT feel safer..You know the difference between a dem and lib anti-gunner and one that is not anti gun....YOU HAVEN'T BEEN MUGGED........YET..

I've lived in quite a few bad areas, never owned a gun, and my house has never been broken into. The reason is that I've always had a large, loud DOG.

Ah, yes, these threads always bring out the delusional paranoids like 1stlttightwad. The irony is that the people who are most convinced that they need guns, like that poster, are precisely the ones whose grip on reality is so shaky, they shouldn't have them.

i dont think so ...... don

it looks as though it's quite a controlled environment

however i could be wrong